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longhorn320

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« Reply #560 on: March 03, 2022, 01:15:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 03, 2022, 01:08:23 PM
A cease fire means what, exactly?  I suppose it grants Russia whatever ground it has gained thus far, at least short term?

It would stop most of the carnage anyway, Putin could declare victory.  Ukraine would be shattered and probably dismembered again.  But I don't think Ukraine has any real hope of driving Russian forces out.


IMHO a cease fire right now is very good for Ukraine and mildly bad for Russia

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #561 on: March 03, 2022, 01:17:06 PM »
I'd take a cease fire right now, but I suspect "they" will talk and talk and talk, while Russia gains more ground.  Then Putin will accede.

I don't see a good out here for anyone.  Maybe Russia finally gives up some ground but keeps a tidy portion.  Ukraine is a fraction of itself.
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« Reply #562 on: March 03, 2022, 01:17:35 PM »
No I think Russian might have to refit/resupply
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« Reply #563 on: March 03, 2022, 01:18:43 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on March 03, 2022, 01:14:21 PM
The way this is unfolding does make me nervous. 

Russia citizens, oligarchs and economy getting crushed.  Unstable leader, back to the wall, so many bad possibilities.  China and North Korea playing bad boys. 
Actually its in China's best interest to avoid a nuclear exchange so Im really not too worried bout that

The key to a perm cease fire is to allow Putin to save face and at the same time keep an independent Ukraine

Maybe China can accomplish that
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« Reply #564 on: March 03, 2022, 01:26:41 PM »
China seems to be reversing course here a little bit. They hold massive leverage over Russia right now. 

China has to be seeing Russia effectively get canceled by the world, the oligarchs under fire, and the crippling sanctions and thinking you know what, Taiwan ain’t worth it.
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« Reply #565 on: March 03, 2022, 01:28:10 PM »
I never pin any positive hopes on China.   China ass-hoe.  
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« Reply #566 on: March 03, 2022, 01:33:41 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on March 03, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
I never pin any positive hopes on China.  China ass-hoe. 
while I share your view there is no reason something cant be good for China and also improves the Ukraine situation 
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« Reply #567 on: March 03, 2022, 01:46:55 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 03, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

Actually its in China's best interest to avoid a nuclear exchange so Im really not too worried bout that
Just China's,SMDH



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« Reply #568 on: March 03, 2022, 01:54:28 PM »
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« Reply #570 on: March 03, 2022, 02:22:22 PM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #571 on: March 03, 2022, 02:22:49 PM »
If there is a cease fire "soon" (within two weeks say), how much of Ukraine might be left when it's all over?

will Ukraine go for that?
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« Reply #572 on: March 03, 2022, 02:48:22 PM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #573 on: March 03, 2022, 02:53:42 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 03, 2022, 12:56:08 PM
I had a dream last night that NYC, Chicago and LA were all flattened at the same time. Woke me up at 3AM and could not get back to sleep.
the scary thing is- this is the closest we have been to that actually being a possibility since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I thought the Cold War ended in 1991. 
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