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« Reply #547 on: March 03, 2022, 11:53:06 AM »
This is odd, because Ukraine hasn't deployed any navy ships, and I think they only have a handful of navy ships anyway.

Seems like Russia is deliberately targeting commercial ships, and this one flies the flag of a NATO country.  Almost like they WANT the West to get involved.

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« Reply #548 on: March 03, 2022, 11:55:48 AM »
This is odd, because Ukraine hasn't deployed any navy ships, and I think they only have a handful of navy ships anyway.

Seems like Russia is deliberately targeting commercial ships, and this one flies the flag of a NATO country.  Almost like they WANT the West to get involved.
If it's true that Putin is very ill.. why would he care if the World was blown to pieces? That would be his legacy, and probably one he would love to leave.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #549 on: March 03, 2022, 11:58:24 AM »
Ukraine: Estonian cargo ship sinks after blast in Black Sea - BBC News

The vessel had been anchored off the coast after leaving port several days ago.

Ukrainian media say the Russian navy had been using the Helt as a shield to hide from Ukrainian weaponry as Russian forces advance towards Odesa.


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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #550 on: March 03, 2022, 12:05:17 PM »
The world could be on the brink of an energy crisis rivaling the 1970s, says IHS Markit's Yergin (cnbc.com)
The world could be on the brink of an energy crisis rivaling the 1970s, says IHS Markit's Yergin (cnbc.com)

The various financial restraints attached to Russia are impacting their ability to get paid for their oil.


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« Reply #551 on: March 03, 2022, 12:09:07 PM »
The world could be on the brink of an energy crisis rivaling the 1970s, says IHS Markit's Yergin (cnbc.com)
The world could be on the brink of an energy crisis rivaling the 1970s, says IHS Markit's Yergin (cnbc.com)

The various financial restraints attached to Russia are impacting their ability to get paid for their oil.


Yes.  I've seen some US-based analysts saying that we really don't need to cut out imports from Russia, because our refiners and producers can't pay them anyway.  They expcted Russia to only be able to sell 2/3 of its normal shipments, and that's even after pivoting to the Chinese and others who could take up the slack.

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« Reply #552 on: March 03, 2022, 12:17:41 PM »
The Russian leadership the last 20 years is worse than it was back in the USSR.  More corrupt, no internal accountability, less risk adverse.
Gonna have to disagree with you there. 

And Putin might never have come to power or maintained his grip on power if his predecessor Yeltsin wasn’t such a corrupt, drunk, weak, ineffective leader that was a stooge for the Clinton administration. Russia in the 90s was an absolute chaotic disaster on the brink- a failed state. 

Russia stabilized and rebounded from the brink under Putin, which is probably why he’s been able to hold onto his power. Well that and he’s not afraid of murdering those who cross him. That surely helps. 

But seems to me these type of dictator/strong men can only take hold in chaotic times if they help bring a country to stability. The people who remember the 90s- don’t want to go back. 

Hitler probably never rises in Germany if the Weimar Republic wasn’t a disaster after WWI and the worldwide depression of 1929. 

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« Reply #553 on: March 03, 2022, 12:27:12 PM »
The world could be on the brink of an energy crisis rivaling the 1970s, says IHS Markit's Yergin (cnbc.com)
The world could be on the brink of an energy crisis rivaling the 1970s, says IHS Markit's Yergin (cnbc.com)

The various financial restraints attached to Russia are impacting their ability to get paid for their oil.
Gee if only there was a US client state that controlled the worlds largest oil cartel- that happened to have more oil than anyone themselves- that by the way can produce said oil at worlds lowest cost. If only….

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« Reply #554 on: March 03, 2022, 12:45:47 PM »
If it's true that Putin is very ill.. why would he care if the World was blown to pieces? That would be his legacy, and probably one he would love to leave.
This is literally something along the same lines that was on Russian state tv program - one of the broadcasters said something like if Russia is not a part of the world then what is the point of having a world….basically saying if you guys are gonna crush us and make us destitute like we were in the 90s…then no reason for us not to use nukes. Scary shit.

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« Reply #555 on: March 03, 2022, 12:56:08 PM »
I had a dream last night that NYC, Chicago and LA were all flattened at the same time. Woke me up at 3AM and could not get back to sleep.
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« Reply #556 on: March 03, 2022, 12:59:51 PM »
China says it’s ready to play a role in a ceasefire. They have a lot of leverage over Russia right now. Would be nice if they applied some pressure to end this war asap.  


https://youtu.be/VpUf5HaCOPw

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« Reply #557 on: March 03, 2022, 01:03:11 PM »
China says it’s ready to play a role in a ceasefire. They have a lot of leverage over Russia right now. Would be nice if they applied some pressure to end this war asap. 


https://youtu.be/VpUf5HaCOPw
considering China is among the few friends Russia has right now this might be important
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« Reply #558 on: March 03, 2022, 01:08:23 PM »
A cease fire means what, exactly?  I suppose it grants Russia whatever ground it has gained thus far, at least short term?

It would stop most of the carnage anyway, Putin could declare victory.  Ukraine would be shattered and probably dismembered again.  But I don't think Ukraine has any real hope of driving Russian forces out.


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« Reply #559 on: March 03, 2022, 01:14:21 PM »
I had a dream last night that NYC, Chicago and LA were all flattened at the same time. Woke me up at 3AM and could not get back to sleep.
The way this is unfolding does make me nervous.  

Russia citizens, oligarchs and economy getting crushed.  Unstable leader, back to the wall, so many bad possibilities.  China and North Korea playing bad boys.  
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