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rolltidefan

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« Reply #308 on: March 02, 2022, 10:33:33 AM »
that's pretty awesome.

I've always wanted to own a fighter jet. Without the missiles of course. That'd be a pretty cool toy to play with. And even better if I got it for free lol.
you can! they cost $250k+ but there are several you can buy, including mig21, mig29, t38, f104, there was even an f16 sold in florida in 2019 for $8.5 mil.

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« Reply #309 on: March 02, 2022, 10:35:40 AM »
that's pretty awesome.

I've always wanted to own a fighter jet. Without the missiles of course. That'd be a pretty cool toy to play with. And even better if I got it for free lol.
Do you have a pilots license with the appropriate additions to enable you to operate turbine aircraft?

You could sit in the cockpit and say "zoom zoom".  There was an outfit at the airport I used that would convert Russian trainers to civilian use, I think they went for a couple hundred thousand.  I imagine operational costs would be significant.

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« Reply #310 on: March 02, 2022, 10:40:44 AM »
The convoy is still there.  It's still huge.  It's not moving much.

Optimistic hopes are that they're experiencing difficulties due to road conditions/harassment from Ukrainian forces/logistical issues.

But it could just be that they're pausing and regrouping for their inevitable siege.

Defense officials and Western experts of war are puzzled by the stalling of Russia's 40 mile convoy. "Food and Fuel" shortages, as reported, don't add up because this is a RESUPPLY convoy that was fully readied in Belarus about 100 miles north of Kyiv. By its very purpose it shouldn't be out of fuel, especially after its short trip from Belarus.

My brother, an Army Vet with infantry experience in Afghanistan, believes it's a problem of disorganization among their officers ranks. I, on the other hand, wonder if the convoy is sitting there waiting until Russia can attain Air Superiority over Kyiv, which is another point of confusion among the experts.

We're witnessing the Russians learn the hard way how difficult a multi-faceted invasion is - air, seas, land - but air superiority should've been the easiest of the three for Russia. Instead, to the confusion of many, Russia's efforts for the sky are lacking.

As for the ground and seas, with most of the attention on the larger cities of Kyiv to the north and Kharkiv in the East, Russian Forces are finding their footing in the south and taking control of a number of the medium size regional cities nearer to the Black Sea. Mariupol is surrounded and under control of Russian Forces and the Sea of Azov is now cut off. About half a dozen smaller cities in the south and east are under an ultimatum to surrender or face leveling by artillary fire.

In the city of Kherson (pop. 250k-300k) Russian Forces have closed it off and infantry units are patrolling the empty streets. After a disorienting first wave of attack Russian Forces now seem adapted to a more determined and careful approach, checking and arresting citizens they find on the streets and taking over government buildings. Russian Forces are also looting markets for food and several apartment towers have been struck by heavy artillary.


https://twitter.com/TCG_CrisisRisks/status/1498883386089226249

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« Reply #311 on: March 02, 2022, 10:51:36 AM »
At the same time, this is the first war where smart phones and social media have been present in such force, and we're getting real-time views of what's happening in numerous regions simultaneously.
https://spectatorworld.com/topic/ukraine-invasion-first-social-media-war-volodymyr-zelensky/

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« Reply #312 on: March 02, 2022, 11:00:18 AM »
hard to disagree here. All Russians are not to blame for this invasion and war. One is. Vladimir Putin. Not that it holds water or is valid at all- but at least when Bin Laden said he blames all Americans for our foreign policy and wars because we vote for our leaders- that part was actually true- we do vote for them. Russians didn't vote for Vladimir Putin. He's a dictator. I even saw a story where a Russian conductor- who is supposedly the most famous conductor in the world- was fired in Germany from the Munich Philharmonic. His crime? He didn't publicly denounce Vladimir Putin- a dictator who has a long track record of assassinating prominent Russians who speak out against him.


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« Reply #313 on: March 02, 2022, 11:04:01 AM »
hard to disagree here. All Russians are not to blame for this invasion and war. One is. Vladimir Putin. Not that it holds water or is valid at all- but at least when Bin Laden said he blames all Americans because we vote for out leaders- that part was actually true- we do vote for them. Russians didn't vote for Vladimir Putin. He's a dictator. I even saw a story where a Russian conductor was fired in Germany from the Munich Philharmonic. His crime? He didn't publicly denounce Vladimir Putin- a dictator who has a long track record of assassinating Russians who speak out against him.


https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1499024396782120961?s=20&t=RKLWvCeNevTlS1Dnbx1ghg

I dont agree with this
Russia is their country and its citizens need to put a stop to this
We need to put as much pressure as we can to convince them to do whatever it takes to stop it
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« Reply #314 on: March 02, 2022, 11:06:56 AM »
you can't even stop Biden from his actions
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« Reply #315 on: March 02, 2022, 11:13:51 AM »
you can't even stop Biden from his actions
as much as I would like to respond I cant cause utee will put me in jail if I do
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« Reply #316 on: March 02, 2022, 11:26:30 AM »
Stop bringing up Iraq.  This thread is about Russia's murderous invasion of Ukraine.


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« Reply #317 on: March 02, 2022, 11:29:37 AM »
Stop bringing up Iraq.  This thread is about Russia's murderous invasion of Ukraine.
I mean, ok, but it's a pretty good reference point on one country invading another country in recent history

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« Reply #318 on: March 02, 2022, 11:30:42 AM »
I mean, ok, but it's a pretty good reference point on one country invading another country in recent history
It's been used repeatedly by MDot as a red herring to excuse Putin's murderous invasion of Ukraine.

Feel free to discuss it elsewhere.  I'd suggest Area 51.

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« Reply #319 on: March 02, 2022, 11:31:27 AM »
they've already cracked skulls, broken up every protest that started (there were 53 different cities protesting initially) and arrested like 10,000 protestors. if you think the people have any shot of overthrowing Putin, well that's a complete fantasy.

And if you study history - draconian sanctions just wind up driving the people getting crushed by those sanctions into the arms of the dictator- and those people have to depend on the dictator/state for survival.

My guess here is only those that wield massive power like the richest 100 or so Oligarchs and the very top officials in govt/military probably have any realistic shot of overthrowing him. It's not going to come from street demonstrations- Putin doesn't care what the public thinks. Russia controls the media and they'll just crack down on any protestors.
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« Reply #320 on: March 02, 2022, 11:36:52 AM »
It's been used repeatedly by MDot as a red herring to excuse Putin's murderous invasion of Russia.

Feel free to discuss it elsewhere.  I'd suggest Area 51.
yeah, except it's not a red herring, it's absolutely relevant to this discussion at hand as the US has made a complete mockery of international law through the decades- which is why we have zero credibility on the topic of illegal invasions- nor have I ever excused Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

This disastrous outcome we're seeing right now has been a predictable event- one that many from all different backgrounds and stripes have been predicting would come to pass for nearly 15 years- and unfortunately several US administrations and a DC foreign policy elite have ignored all the warnings and predictions. Things do not happen in a vacuum. The world is not black and white. The US has had a major role in the build-up and escalation that lead to this war. To completely deny that is beyond ridiculous.

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« Reply #321 on: March 02, 2022, 11:39:55 AM »
they've already cracked skulls, broken up every protest that started (there were 53 different cities protesting initially) and arrested like 10,000 protestors. if you think the people have any shot of overthrowing Putin, well that's a complete fantasy.

And if you study history - just take the draconian sanctions just wind up driving the people getting crushed by those sanctions into the arms of the dictator- and those people have to depend on the dictator/state for survival.

My guess here is only those that wield massive power like the richest 100 or so Oligarchs and the very top officials in govt/military probably have any realistic shot of overthrowing him. It's not going to come from street demonstrations- Putin doesn't care what the public thinks. Russia controls the media and they'll just crack down on any protestors.


It's possibly true, but because the entire rest of the world is either unwilling, or unable, to use military force against Russia, the sanctions and exclusions are the only measures we CAN take.

It's not personal, but Russia must be cut off from as much of the rest of the world as possible, and that includes canceling events planned to occur within Russia's borders, and banning and excluding their athletes and entertainers from world events.

I agree that it sucks for the average every-day Russian, but the alternative of using military force and starting WWIII and potentially a nuclear holocaust, is less desirable.

I can empathize, but I feel far worse for the Ukrainians that are being killed daily by Putin's evil and disgusting war of aggression.

Also, we know that part of Putin's arrogance involves being seen as a great world power, and it's clear that sporting events and Russia excelling on the world stage actually do matter to him.  It might seem immaterial, but it's entirely possible that excluding Russia from the world stage in this manner will cause him more harm, than watching his entire nation starve.  He's that much of a dickface.


 

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