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Geolion91

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #196 on: March 01, 2022, 12:39:32 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 01, 2022, 09:22:42 AM
Photography was a new thing in the US Civil War (it was used in the Crimean war as well).  The images were horrifying back then to the people, it brought it home, though many of the photographs were completely staged.

It's very hard to imagine the conditions of that war, most of the deaths were due to disease.
I remember when the Gulf War broke out, it was a big deal getting live footage from reporters in Baghdad showing the explosions of bombing raids on the horizon, at night.  The US was also releasing on-board camera footage of smart bombs hitting buildings.  Now, almost anyone can post video or livestream combat.
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« Reply #197 on: March 01, 2022, 12:44:23 PM »
Quote from: Geolion91 on March 01, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
I remember when the Gulf War broke out, it was a big deal getting live footage from reporters in Baghdad showing the explosions of bombing raids on the horizon, at night.  The US was also releasing on-board camera footage of smart bombs hitting buildings.  Now, almost anyone can post video or livestream combat.
Yeah, and it’s pretty disgusting because they only show our weapons being launched or explosions. Footage on the news never shows the carnage and death and devastation and destruction those weapons cause. Still remember Brian Williams nutting in his pants talking about the beauty of our weapons after missiles were launched - missiles that were on their way to kill human beings. 

I think they should ban showing the explosions and real life action movie porn and only show the death and devastation and carnage. But hey, that’s just me. 
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« Reply #198 on: March 01, 2022, 12:50:00 PM »
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« Reply #199 on: March 01, 2022, 12:50:03 PM »
Russia has warned NATO again today about missile bases in the former Soviet bloc nations of Poland and Romania.  Putin has just flushed over 30 years of detente, glastnost, and semi-normal relations.  And the West has just cratered Russia's economy.  I hope there is no next.  
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« Reply #200 on: March 01, 2022, 12:55:23 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on March 01, 2022, 12:50:03 PM
Russia has warned NATO again today about missile bases in the former Soviet bloc nations of Poland and Romania.  Putin has just flushed over 30 years of detente, glastnost, and semi-normal relations.  And the West has just cratered Russia's economy.  I hope there is no next.
US relations with Russia have been in the toilet and deteriorating since the mid 2000's. Largely because the US has refused to negotiate/listen to Russia regarding valid Russian national interest/security concerns for nearly 20 years. Relations started going south fast under Bush II- who will go down in history one day as maybe the worst President the United States has ever had.
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« Reply #201 on: March 01, 2022, 12:57:24 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on March 01, 2022, 12:50:03 PM
Russia has warned NATO again today about missile bases in the former Soviet bloc nations of Poland and Romania.  Putin has just flushed over 30 years of detente, glastnost, and semi-normal relations.  And the West has just cratered Russia's economy.  I hope there is no next. 
I dont see any real need for ICBM bases in Poland and Romania and would be willing to not put them there in a negotiation
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« Reply #202 on: March 01, 2022, 01:02:12 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 01, 2022, 12:57:24 PM
I dont see any real need for ICBM bases in Poland and Romania and would be willing to not put them there in a negotiation
there are defensive missile systems in Poland and Romania. Largely to the objection of the local people who live in the towns where these bases are near, I might add.

The systems supposedly aren't equipped to strike offensively, rather they are intended to destroy incoming missiles. We don't know for certain, because media/outside observes are not allowed in. But those systems could easily be retooled to launch offensive missiles.

Dirty little secret of missile defense systems....they don't work. US has spent hundreds of billions of dollars on these systems, and none of them actually work effectively.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/the-faulty-and-dangerous-logic-of-missile-defense/
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #203 on: March 01, 2022, 01:02:57 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on March 01, 2022, 12:57:24 PM
I dont see any real need for ICBM bases in Poland and Romania and would be willing to not put them there in a negotiation
They're ABMs meant to defend Europe and US from Iranian ICBMs.
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« Reply #204 on: March 01, 2022, 01:08:02 PM »
Russia is holding missile drills again today.  Not so sure having much of the US leadership in one place for Biden's SOTU speech tonight is a good idea.  Putin is acting like a cornered rat.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-holds-drills-nuclear-subs-land-based-missiles-83180974
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« Reply #205 on: March 01, 2022, 01:10:51 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on March 01, 2022, 01:02:57 PM
They're ABMs.
right, and we used to have a treaty against them. Bush II ripped that treaty to shreds in 2002 and the US has poured countless billions into these systems since and they are largely ineffective. Oh and they could be reconfigured with ease to launch ballistic missiles, so there's that.

We can call them "anti" ballistic missiles all we want, but nothing anti about them. Ripping up an arms control treaty that had proved foundational to world stability for 30 years and going full stop towards dumping hundreds of billions into ABMs that largely don't work has escalated the probability of war and has lead to an arms race build-up.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2021/12/13/u.s.-exit-from-anti-ballistic-missile-treaty-has-fueled-new-arms-race-pub-85977
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« Reply #206 on: March 01, 2022, 01:13:00 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on March 01, 2022, 01:08:02 PM
Russia is holding missile drills again today.  Not so sure having much of the US leadership in one place for Biden's SOTU speech tonight is a good idea.  Putin is acting like a cornered rat.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-holds-drills-nuclear-subs-land-based-missiles-83180974
Jesus the paranoia here is at an all-time high. So Putin is going to nuke DC tonight, eh? 
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« Reply #207 on: March 01, 2022, 01:15:03 PM »
LOL.  Better duck and cover.  You're likely too young to ever have learned that but you can find instructions online while we still have an internet:


https://www.history.com/news/duck-cover-drills-cold-war-arms-race
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« Reply #208 on: March 01, 2022, 01:17:46 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on March 01, 2022, 01:15:03 PM
LOL.  Better duck and cover.  You're like to young to ever have learned that but I'm sure you can find instructions online while we still have an internet.
Biden admin just released it's new guidelines. Says we've got to social distance while the nuclear blasts go off. 

On a serious note, Putin nuking DC would mean the end of the entire world. Is anyone really that crazy? I'd like to think not.
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« Reply #209 on: March 01, 2022, 01:20:37 PM »
An ABM can't be somehow "retooled" to make an offensive weapon.  The notion is silly, we have intermediate range ballistic missiles that we can build and deploy as needed, no need to somehow jury rig an ABM.  An ABM is designed with short range and very fast acceleration for obvious reasons.  The rocket motor is specific for that purpose.  And of course the warhead is designed to intercept an incoming unarmored missile, some are designed to try and hit a bullet with a bullet.
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