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Mdot21

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #154 on: February 28, 2022, 06:47:25 PM »
Fortunately, it seems that the people who matter are making adult decisions.  I'm all in favor of that.
Amen to that. 

CNN tv show survey of roughly 55,000 people in US polled asked Should NATO go to war for Ukraine? 78% said yes, 22% said no. Are people who watch CNN crazy? 


https://www.smerconish.com/survey-question-archive/february-2022

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« Reply #155 on: February 28, 2022, 06:57:49 PM »
Amen to that.

CNN tv show survey of roughly 55,000 people in US polled asked Should NATO go to war for Ukraine? 78% said yes, 22% said no. Are people who watch CNN crazy?


https://www.smerconish.com/survey-question-archive/february-2022
I would say most people who watch cable news, are severely under-informed

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« Reply #156 on: February 28, 2022, 07:01:17 PM »
I would say most people who watch cable news, are severely under-informed
I think a study was done on this and it suggested that is actually true lol. 

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« Reply #157 on: February 28, 2022, 07:07:12 PM »

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« Reply #158 on: February 28, 2022, 07:13:30 PM »
Billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman tweets like 12 crazy tweets in a row calling on President Biden to declare war on Russia immediately. Bet his firm just bought a ton of defense contractor and energy stocks lol.

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« Reply #159 on: February 28, 2022, 07:20:59 PM »
so...whole snake island "F YOU RUSSIA BATTLESHIP" thing....officially debunked. also...the rhetoric in the Russian state media...well...it sounds truly terrifying.


https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1498266613002424325?s=20&t=gSm4G7GvBm7ImQfGVi9x_g



https://twitter.com/esaagar/status/1498401713883074561?s=20&t=gSm4G7GvBm7ImQfGVi9x_g

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« Reply #160 on: February 28, 2022, 07:40:25 PM »
I would say most people who watch cable news, are severely under-informed
“The man who watches nothing at all is better educated than the man who watches nothing but cable news.”

― Thomas Jefferson

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #161 on: February 28, 2022, 07:51:13 PM »
I have little idea how that smerconish site does their "polls", but it seems independent of CNN watchers, and I suspect their polling techniques are dubious, probably just send in a vote from random people, perhaps voting with bots or whatever else.  You don't need 50,000 respondents to run a credible poll, you do need a representative sample.

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« Reply #162 on: February 28, 2022, 07:53:48 PM »
“The man who watches nothing at all is better educated than the man who watches nothing but cable news.”

Thomas Jefferson
I can't believe that song was cut from Hamilton

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« Reply #163 on: February 28, 2022, 08:06:00 PM »
I have little idea how that smerconish site does their "polls", but it seems independent of CNN watchers, and I suspect their polling techniques are dubious, probably just send in a vote from random people, perhaps voting with bots or whatever else.  You don't need 50,000 respondents to run a credible poll, you do need a representative sample.
not sure how they do, but it's from his CNN show. think it's from CNN's twitter and their website and his website.

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« Reply #164 on: February 28, 2022, 08:33:37 PM »
It's not a risk that's worth taking, obviously, but I wonder how crazy Putin really is...

If the UN and the USA issued an ultimatum to Putin

Pull your troops out of Urkraine by Friday at Midnight or some other reasonable time frame, or perhaps even just a ceasefire tomorrow at midnight

if not, we will defend Ukraine with troops and aircraft and missiles and such

would Putin do something truly foolish and take on the West?

It's obviously possible, he could push a button or some other desperate act

or, he could back down

or other leaders in Moscow could take him out of power
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« Reply #165 on: February 28, 2022, 08:46:19 PM »
A few thoughts. Most people here probably don't have a very good understanding about what this conflict is about. And it's sure as heck a lot more complicated than (a) this guy is bad; (b) this other guy is good. That said, (a) that guy is bad, and it's not altogether surprising that he's finally pushed hard enough to find at least one limit of what the "west" is willing to overlook. Seems like it was only a matter of time.

However, it's one thing to talk a big game, it's entirely another to go to war with one of the biggest kids on the block. It's one thing to invade Iraq (or even Iran), it's quite another to take on a military/government like Russia's (or, say, China). The scale is vastly different, and yes, nukes and MAD make the calculus completely different. We are very unlikely to get into a direct, NATO vs. Russia, shooting war. Much of what is happening here appears to be Putin testing just how far he can go and get away with it.

War sucks. It seems to be part of the human condition, so it's hard to say it's inhumane, but a lot of innocent people suffer. That's true in every war, no matter the righteousness of the cause.

B-52s are actually used (sometimes) for SEAD (suppression of enemy air defense)--but only when the opponent isn't at the top of the technological ladder. Because of their huge radar signature, the Air Force has (at times) flown them at high altitude to bait the enemy's air defenses to fire at them, thus showing the bad guys' precise location to the fighters carrying the HARMs designed especially to take out air defense sites. I spoke with a B-52 navigator who described watching a SAM, which wasn't supposed to be able to reach his plane's altitude, essentially crest his wing over Kosovo before dropping harmlessly below him. Most SAMs have proximity fuses, so "crest his wing" probably sounds closer than it really was (if it was the way I imagine it, the fuse would have blown and would have damaged the plane). But the Russians have air defense technology that is easily good enough that we wouldn't use B-52s in that role. The rumor I was told by the fighter pilots I knew in the 1990s is that one of the discoveries towards the end of the Soviet era is that we underestimated the Soviet's missile technology by a fair margin. While the pilots all trusted our planes much more than the Russian counterparts, the Russian air-to-air missiles were probably largely better than ours were. (The early sidewinders, Aim-9s (IR), and Aim-7s (radar guided), for instance, kinda sucked. I have no idea about now. Similarly, the main Russian shoulder fired antiaircraft missiles, the SA-7, -14, and -16 were all probably better than their NATO/US counterparts--at least well into the 1980s.)

But equipment only gets you as far as your training/personnel. That seems to be a problem for Russia so far.

One of the surprises about this war, to date, is the apparently low quality of the invasion forces that Russia has deployed. It seems pretty clear that Putin/his military leaders did not expect much resistance from the Ukraine. They also have not followed the more methodical approach that we are used to from the U.S.-led wars of the last three decades, e.g., a sustained air campaign before launching the ground invasion. Maybe their calculation of the politics was that they couldn't go that route. Unquestionably, Russia has a massive advantage over the Ukraine in an air war.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #166 on: February 28, 2022, 09:25:03 PM »
It's hard to beat someone who doesn't care about his own people.  

Anywho, yes, any and all cable news watchers are clueless.  They trend very old.  They seek out confirmation bias, not news.  Duh.  
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #167 on: February 28, 2022, 09:51:16 PM »
https://letter.ly/cable-news-viewership-statistics/


33 interesting facts about cable news.  
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