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utee94

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #84 on: February 28, 2022, 10:43:33 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 28, 2022, 07:15:19 AM
I don't see how even tactical nukes is of any use to Putin.  Ukrainian forces are not concentrated (much) that I can figure.  They aren't useful as city busters, even if he wanted to take out a city for some reason.  I think it's just meant as a warning as NATO reinforces near his borders.  He has much of his military engaged and unable to respond to any NATO incursion, so he sends a nuclear warning not to try that.

I would guess any Ohio class subs we have docked are getting ready to deploy as fast as they can, they generally do 6 months gold and 6 blue but can surge if needed.
Agree, I don't actually see a scenario where tactical nukes would be used.  It's a threat to hold other concerned world parties at bay.
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« Reply #85 on: February 28, 2022, 10:44:45 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on February 28, 2022, 10:36:12 AM
If we could avoid, or at least minimize, political opinions here, that would be great.
You got it boss.

I’m just saying, MbS is going to provide zero help if/when oil prices rise. Largely just to be spiteful bc he hates Biden. Dictators gonna dictate. Even higher gas prices at the pump and even more inflation….gonna be a mess.
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« Reply #86 on: February 28, 2022, 10:53:43 AM »
I travel for work and higher gas prices cost me more money than most others.

I'm at about 1,000 miles a week or more

but, if higher gasoline helps cripple Putin and end this war, I'm willing to do my part
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« Reply #87 on: February 28, 2022, 10:57:13 AM »
I'm not about bombing out an entire city

crazy to do that to civilians 

20 planes times 80 500lb bombs each on selected targets could send a message

and then that message could be sent again and again as needed
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« Reply #88 on: February 28, 2022, 11:01:13 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on February 28, 2022, 10:43:33 AM
Agree, I don't actually see a scenario where tactical nukes would be used.  It's a threat to hold other concerned world parties at bay.
I would agree too, but you never know what someone might do once backed into a corner and also…accidents, mistakes and miscalculations can happen.

US and USSR/Russia were minutes away from nuclear exchange in 1980, 1983, and 1995 bc of mistake/accident.

I pray it never happens, but I feel like a nuclear exchange will happen at some point in the future. There are too many of these weapons in the world and human beings nor our technology are perfect. Mistakes and accidents can happen. Only way to ensure they never get used is to destroy them all and make it international law that they are not to be built or used and enforce that law like nothing has ever been enforced before.
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« Reply #89 on: February 28, 2022, 11:05:05 AM »
I wish it could be so.  In an ideal world it would be.  A lot of things would be different, in an ideal world.
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« Reply #90 on: February 28, 2022, 11:08:14 AM »
May be an image of 2 people, people standing and text
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« Reply #91 on: February 28, 2022, 11:09:37 AM »
perhaps secret agent 007 could take out Putin?
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« Reply #92 on: February 28, 2022, 11:21:55 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 28, 2022, 11:09:37 AM
perhaps secret agent 007 could take out Putin?
Maybe don't watch the newest one
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« Reply #93 on: February 28, 2022, 11:42:08 AM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #94 on: February 28, 2022, 11:43:34 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on February 28, 2022, 10:57:13 AM
I'm not about bombing out an entire city

crazy to do that to civilians

20 planes times 80 500lb bombs each on selected targets could send a message

and then that message could be sent again and again as needed
Selected targets could be taken out with cruise missiles unless they are hardened.  And most targets of this ilk would be hardened, like Cheyenne Mountain (which is no longer NORAD).

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« Reply #95 on: February 28, 2022, 11:49:51 AM »
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« Reply #96 on: February 28, 2022, 11:54:09 AM »
And as I've noted, I like to find the humor in the internet postings. As a cyclist I have to laugh at the comment.


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« Reply #97 on: February 28, 2022, 12:11:31 PM »
so Switzerland no longer neutral. Kind of a big deal. One can argue- hey its not military action - but sanctions are in effect an act of war.

If one wanted to be cynical they could come to the conclusion that the US wanted Russia to overreact, invade Ukraine and be ostracized and kicked out of the EU/Western Europe. It benefits US oil, natural gas, and defense industries. All these countries are now talking about beefing up on defense spending. Germany most specifically. And not sure that’s a good thing seeing as the Germans, well you know. Germany has also announced they are building the infrastructure and terminals so they can import US LNG. 

US is the worlds largest exporter of LNG and the 4th largest exporter of oil in the world. US is also the worlds largest exporter of weapons in the entire world.
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