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847badgerfan · « **Reply #70 on:** February 28, 2022, 09:26:45 AM »

I think the two Ukraine topics should be merged.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #71 on:** February 28, 2022, 09:38:38 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on February 28, 2022, 09:26:45 AM

I think the two Ukraine topics should be merged.

I too was confused by this and would like to buy this post and poster a beer.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 28, 2022, 09:41:03 AM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on February 28, 2022, 08:15:46 AM

They(Chechens) by their own behavior according to someone who lived there deserved every shitty response.Oh god they were called names,so were the assholes busting up cities here - you reap what you sow.They would wipe you,me and every one else on this board off of this Earth.If those roles were reversed you are deluded if you think you'd have a voice.Want to pull for the Ukranians fine they were not poking the bear

Never met a Chechen, but I’m well aware of their reputation as nasty sobs.

regardless, that was a disgusting Twitter post by an official government account. No censorship or ban from Twitter there.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #73 on:** February 28, 2022, 09:44:04 AM »

So….looks like Biden is f**ked because of his own making. Biden still refuses to speak to MbS and has picked a feud with the one man who could help him keep oil prices stable in MbS. The French bithcboy Macron visited MbS on behalf of Biden to ask him about increasing production and MbS told him to kick rocks. Is there a more ineffective, useless leader in all the western world than Macron? Literally no one respects him lol. Putin told him to pound sand you’ve got no power I’m not negotiating with you and MbS just told him the same thing. Saudis will not push OPEC+ to increase production.

https://twitter.com/AliAlAhmed_en/status/1498107638005047303?s=20&t=oEv7z4BSYKCVMNl8mwBpKA

https://twitter.com/AliAlAhmed_en/status/1498122973177384966?s=20&t=oEv7z4BSYKCVMNl8mwBpKA

MrNubbz · « **Reply #74 on:** February 28, 2022, 09:48:30 AM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on February 28, 2022, 09:41:03 AM

Never met a Chechen, but I’m well aware of their reputation as nasty sobs.

regardless, that was a disgusting Twitter post by an official government account. No censorship or ban from Twitter there.

Ya perhaps but warring factions are seldom toasting their adveraries in the war room - they were dumb to let that get out

Mdot21 · « **Reply #75 on:** February 28, 2022, 09:52:22 AM »

So crushing Russia with economic sanctions isn’t just going to hurt Russia, but a lot of surrounding countries that count on remittance money being sent from migrant workers or immigrants living in Russia back to their home countries.

https://twitter.com/sopjap/status/1498033040899117060?s=20&t=oEv7z4BSYKCVMNl8mwBpKA

CatsbyAZ · « **Reply #76 on:** February 28, 2022, 09:55:38 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on February 27, 2022, 08:45:17 AM

Russia is basically the same animal, big numbers, but unmotivated, poorly supplied, poor morale, and indifferent training in general.

I can tell you Russia’s headache with lack of motivation and morale, indifference, and higher distraction amongst their service members are a noticeably increased problem in the U.S. military as well.

Though both the U.S. and Russia have highly capable Special Forces and technological advantages that outpace the rest of the world (except for maybe China), those focuses miss what I see as a startling rise of incompetence throughout the U.S. Military, from the enlisted through our officer ranks. A typical Destroyer, for example, boasts up to $120 million dollars’ worth of weapons systems when ramped up for deployment. However many of its operators, to include those charged with navigation and engine room operations, are far less disciplined and proficient with those systems than only a decade ago.

Should the U.S. embark on a similarly large scale Iraq or Ukraine mission (such as we’re actively building assets toward in the far Pacific) a new, unspoken obstacle we’ll face is engaging the enemy with a less adept and mission-minded labor force.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #77 on:** February 28, 2022, 09:56:23 AM »

Hope this remains true...

Mdot21 · « **Reply #78 on:** February 28, 2022, 10:02:26 AM »

so swift handles about 90%+ of international cross-border payments.

My worry is that much of the rest of the world will see Russia being banned from swift and accelerate the world turning away from it.

China has already been trying to turn away from swift and has been developing their own cross-border payments systems and digital currency. They are the largest manufacturer in the world, largest exporter in the world, and 2nd largest economy in the world. Russia joining China’s cross payments system as the 2nd largest producer and exporter of oil and the 2nd largest producer and exporter of natural gas - probably not a good thing.

https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1498126686197592064?s=20&t=oEv7z4BSYKCVMNl8mwBpKA

FearlessF · « **Reply #79 on:** February 28, 2022, 10:12:34 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on February 28, 2022, 08:59:57 AM

The B-2 might be able to traverse Russian airspace to at least some degree, but as noted, we only have 20 of them.

20 seems like a small number, but I'd guess there would be cornsiderable damage

enough to send a message

utee94 · « **Reply #80 on:** February 28, 2022, 10:15:16 AM »

For the time being it's entirely worth it in order to do what we can to cut off Russia from the rest of the world.

At this point I don't see any resolution of this, that includes Putin. The war crimes are piling up and this time the atrocities are being recorded on video and shared throughout the world in real time. Regardless of what happens with Ukraine, the world can no longer tolerate a Russia with Putin at the helm, so the sanctions and military tensions will continue until that is no longer the case.

Russia's best possible outcome now, is for someone on the inside to take out Putin. It's really the only outcome that doesn't end with Russia being reduced to North Korea levels of isolation.

FearlessF · « **Reply #81 on:** February 28, 2022, 10:18:34 AM »

I'm ok with either outcome

Cincydawg · « **Reply #82 on:** February 28, 2022, 10:36:12 AM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on February 28, 2022, 09:44:04 AM

So….looks like Biden is f**ked because of his own making. Biden still refuses to speak to MbS and has picked a feud with the one man who could help him keep oil prices stable in MbS. The French bithcboy Macron visited MbS on behalf of Biden to ask him about increasing production and MbS told him to kick rocks. Is there a more ineffective, useless leader in all the western world than Macron? Literally no one respects him lol. Putin told him to pound sand you’ve got no power I’m not negotiating with you and MbS just told him the same thing. Saudis will not push OPEC+ to increase production.

If we could avoid, or at least minimize, political opinions here, that would be great.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #83 on:** February 28, 2022, 10:42:43 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on February 28, 2022, 10:12:34 AM

20 seems like a small number, but I'd guess there would be cornsiderable damage

enough to send a message

Twenty B-2s would cause consider damage to an urban area, but it wouldn't somehow wipe Moscow off the map. Its payload is about 40,000 pounds, a B-52 can drop nearly double that. The ordnance might be 500 pound bombs when targeting a city, so 80 of them per plane.

Recall we had 1,000 bomber raids of Berlin, those planes could carry about 2 tons each (4,000 pounds), so that would be the equivalent of 100 B2s per raid, and it took many raids to do significant damage to Berlin. This is one reason the Allies resorted to incendiaries (Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo).

It's not that easy to bomb out a city with conventional weapons, cities are large. Even with nukes it can take 4-5 of them to really destroy most of a larger city.

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