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Cincydawg

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2030 on: April 27, 2022, 09:48:50 AM »


There must be Dawg fans in Ukraine.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2031 on: April 28, 2022, 01:19:43 PM »
White House is asking Congress for an additional $33 billion to give to Ukraine for military & economic support.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2032 on: April 28, 2022, 01:26:17 PM »
Inflation in Germany hitting levels they haven't seen in over 30 years, due to what? Sky high energy prices, mostly due to the war. 


https://twitter.com/markets/status/1519653275615825922?s=20&t=7u2EyJH8SzhoLXpTIrJPRg
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2033 on: April 28, 2022, 04:46:39 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 27, 2022, 08:03:14 AM
I think it would hinge on how Russia chose to deploy a nuclear weapon, if they did (which I think is low probability).

Imagine they backed off Mariupol and used some tactical nukes on the city, 2 or 3.  I'm not sure that would draw us in, we'd certainly employ harsh language.
Yeah, I don’t know. If they actually use nukes, the outrage and outcry would be far too great for the world not to respond. A “tactical” nuclear weapon is still a freaking nuclear weapon. Tactical nukes don’t really have a defined yield. Tactical refers mainly to the range, not yield. The yield on tactical nukes can be anywhere from less than 5 to more than 100 kilotons. Hiroshima was “just” 15 kilotons and it killed 140,000 people. 

If they launch any nukes - I’m afraid the US/NATO will be backed into a corner and have no choice but to actually go to war with Russia. 

I’m obviously against all war- but if they launch nukes that’s just a bridge way too far. I don’t know how the world lets that pass. You cannot have a country just lobbing nuclear weapons off. That is unacceptable under any circumstance. 
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2034 on: April 28, 2022, 06:39:59 PM »
I think "the world" would use harsh language.  Maybe China would frown a bit.
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« Reply #2035 on: April 28, 2022, 10:31:16 PM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2036 on: April 29, 2022, 11:54:08 AM »
The current fight and lasting implications of the war in Ukraine | The Hill

Note in this about Russia becoming junior partner to China and isolated from most of the rest of the world.

India would play ball as well I think.
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« Reply #2037 on: April 30, 2022, 07:19:03 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on April 29, 2022, 11:54:08 AM
The current fight and lasting implications of the war in Ukraine | The Hill

Note in this about Russia becoming junior partner to China and isolated from most of the rest of the world.

India would play ball as well I think.
With whom?
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2038 on: April 30, 2022, 07:27:35 AM »
India would buy Russia oil and stuff, military gear etc.  The Russian military market is going to take a major hit just because countries are not going to want to rely on them for things like spare parts and upgrades going forward, but India likely will anyway.  It'll be cheap.  Literally.

China is likely to "adopt" Russia for their purposes even more than they have to date, a kind of reversal of 1970.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2039 on: May 02, 2022, 07:58:42 AM »
The coming death of the Antonov in the Russian military as a whole. Probably. 🤔
One of the most insidious effects of the Ukraine War, is the fact that aside from sanctions imposed against Russia by the West, which is reportedly already causing a detrimental impact on the Russian defence industry, which relies heavily on imported Western components for their military  equipment, a large number of Russian equipment also contain parts that are made in the Ukraine. Not to mention that the Russian Air Force actually have large numbers of Antonov transport aircraft which are made in the Ukraine.
By far the biggest impact on the Russian military, would likely be in the area of tactical transport aircraft especially in the light and heavy lift segments as this is where the majority of the Ukrainian made Antonov types serve in. For the medium lift segment, at least the Russians have the fully indigenous Ilyushin Il-76 Candid.
With official technical support cut off by the Ukrainians, not to mention the fact that the Antonov OKB is now technically dead, until it can hopefully be restarted after the war ends, after the Russian attack on their HQ which infamously destroyed the Antonov An-225 Mriya, the Ukrainians have no real means of supporting existing customers including the Russians anyway.
While in the short term it's expected that the Russians can keep their Antonov types flying thanks to existing stocks of spares, in the long run, the future of those aircraft are less certain. It's known that the Russians have long tried to replace Ukrainian components with locally produced equivalents in many of their equipment since they annexed Crimea in 2014. Perhaps that would be a viable solution to keep them flying. ~Clorox.

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2040 on: May 02, 2022, 08:07:22 AM »
Finland and NATO: What it means if Helsinki joins the alliance (cnbc.com)

I lean to thinking the downside risk for them is not balanced with the upside security guarantee.

I don't really like Article 5 at this point.
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2041 on: May 02, 2022, 08:26:06 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 02, 2022, 08:07:22 AM
Finland and NATO: What it means if Helsinki joins the alliance (cnbc.com)

I lean to thinking the downside risk for them is not balanced with the upside security guarantee.

I don't really like Article 5 at this point.
Agree with you 100%. Neutrality has worked well for them for 70+ years.

speaking of NATO/Article 5....this is maybe the best article I've ever read on NATO 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/26/nato-isnt-what-you-think-it-is/
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2042 on: May 02, 2022, 10:03:20 AM »
Its simple

they dont trust the Russians

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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2043 on: May 02, 2022, 11:44:36 AM »
Nobody trusts Russians (Putin).  But, I'm not sure this enhances Finnish security.  There is a downside to it.
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