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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: You as a high school athlete
« Reply #84 on: April 12, 2018, 12:43:07 PM »

It was Galen Cisco. 

He went onto be a pitcher for the Boston Red Sox and was an MLB Pitching coach up until the year 2000. 

His granddaughter went to my HS, was in my class, and went onto be the Libero for the OSU VB team. 
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« Reply #85 on: April 12, 2018, 12:52:29 PM »

Heh, I didn't know that was him when I posted the pic, so thanks for making the joke that inspired me to look it up. 

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/091098aae.html

Her grandfather, Galen Cisco, Sr., was a two-sport star for OSU. He captained the 1957 national championship football team and was an all-American baseball player. He is a member of the Ohio State Sports Hall of Fame. Cisco, Sr. is the pitching coach for the Philadelphia Phillies.
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« Reply #86 on: April 12, 2018, 01:02:29 PM »
I've done my good deed for the day!
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« Reply #87 on: April 12, 2018, 01:11:21 PM »
i think it was four Christmas's ago i was in Orlando at Disney, and stood inline for a ride behind three Mizzou players- they were in team colors and there to play a game later that week.. players were all over the park that day.... I was BS'n with these three about games in general while we waited- told them i was a UT fan and they said "man, we're sorry"- i appreciated that actually- ain't nuthin' wrong with a bit of ribbing even with strangers.  

I stand 6'3 3/4 and top above 280# depending on how many beers i'm smuggling, and these guys made me tiny- and the kicker- they were only two linebackers and a tight end.  they were at least a head taller than me and though i outweighed them most likely, i do so in all the wrong places.  none of them started and all of them were underclassmen. 

..... and i was one of the bigger kids in my highschool graduating just north of #200 and probably 6'1~2 or so.... 

i also recall thinking at the time the mizzou players on the field looked smaller than almost all marque SEC players at the time- making up the difference with being more agile and faster... so seeing these guys who are smaller in comparison than even their starting teammates makes me think that it's more than 'just' weight rooms and trainers- it's either these big kids are being found easier in an electronic/television world, or, they're just plain bigger than my generation.  

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« Reply #88 on: April 12, 2018, 02:21:58 PM »
7' tall 400 lb football players are coming in my lifetime

and I'm old
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« Reply #89 on: April 12, 2018, 02:24:23 PM »
When I lived in Atlanta, one of my neighbor's sons was a lineman for Kentucky. I don't think he was a starter [not sure if he was still an underclassman or if he was just not good enough to start].

Like you, I'm a big guy. 6'5" 260#. The kid made me look like a shrimp. Had to have been 6'8" and well over 300#, and looked it.

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« Reply #90 on: April 12, 2018, 03:04:00 PM »
7' tall 400 lb football players are coming in my lifetime

and I'm old
Kenny George was 7'9
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« Reply #91 on: April 14, 2018, 04:14:29 PM »
In HS and when I coached, I hated the huge kids that were lethargic or didn't seem to care.  No, you shouldn't be out there if you don't want to - so that could be part of it.  But if you're going to be out there, get after it.  Have some energy.  You could dominate with even average effort!  
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« Reply #92 on: April 15, 2018, 09:47:54 AM »
Shaq?
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« Reply #93 on: April 15, 2018, 11:39:14 AM »
You're thinking of old Shaq.  Young Shaq ran the floor, could dribble, etc.  Find  youtube video of his rookie year in Orlando and be amazed at his waistline.
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« Reply #94 on: April 16, 2018, 10:26:41 AM »
That isn't just a Georgia thing, it is national:  
I've told this story here before but if you haven't heard it, I have a DVD of the 1969 RoseBowl.  This was defending National Champion and #2 ranked USC with Heisman Trophy winner OJ Simpson against soon-to-be National Champion and #1 ranked Ohio State so these were top-notch teams.  I expected the archaic graphics but what surprised me when I watched was that the players were normal sized people.  At least into the late 1960's even the best CFB teams still had 6-0, 200# linemen.  Today a guy that size couldn't get on the field unless he could run 4.5 in the forty yard dash.  
What I have heard/read is that prior to sometime in the late 60's or maybe early 70's weightlifting just wasn't an athletic thing.  Athletes ran and did military style calisthenics but they didn't lift weights.  Weight lifters were basically all just vanity cases who wanted to look huge but couldn't tie their own shoes because they had no flexibility.  They couldn't actually play any sports because if they tried to run/turn/jump they'd pull a muscle.  
Then some trainer figured out that if you combined your weightlifting with the appropriate stretching routine it was possible to become huge while still maintaining sufficient flexibility to play sports at a high level.  If you watched a high level bowl game from 1979 I think you'd find that the guys were almost as big as they are now.  The change occurred very quickly, in not much more than a decade such that, in my memory, football players have always been giants.  
Back in the early 70's, the BBC did a special on American football and did so by following Ohio State around for a while. During the special, they showed a preseason press conference that Woody gave. During the Q&A portion of the session, some reporter asked a question regarding the size of the offensive line and their ability to move due to their enormous size. After all, they averaged over 225 lbs! How could they possibly move beyond the line of scrimmage. 

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« Reply #95 on: April 16, 2018, 12:30:38 PM »
Here's what I don't understand about that, though...

I graduated HS at about 6'4" and 225#. I did that without weight training of any kind. I was in great shape, as I was doing martial arts 5-6 days a week as I was preparing for my 2nd degree test my Sr year. But I didn't really do any strength-specific exercises.

So what changed? I mean, I realize that I was probably on the upper end of the bell curve, but you'd think that a bunch of people recruited to play football at Ohio State would all have been even more extremely on the upper end of the curve than I was. Even moderate strength training (not heavy lifting) should have those guys at 250+ lbs easy. Probably not the 6'7" 325# guys you see today, but 250 ain't that big. 

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« Reply #96 on: April 16, 2018, 12:37:07 PM »
Here's what I don't understand about that, though...

I graduated HS at about 6'4" and 225#. I did that without weight training of any kind. I was in great shape, as I was doing martial arts 5-6 days a week as I was preparing for my 2nd degree test my Sr year. But I didn't really do any strength-specific exercises.

So what changed? I mean, I realize that I was probably on the upper end of the bell curve, but you'd think that a bunch of people recruited to play football at Ohio State would all have been even more extremely on the upper end of the curve than I was. Even moderate strength training (not heavy lifting) should have those guys at 250+ lbs easy. Probably not the 6'7" 325# guys you see today, but 250 ain't that big.
I think part #1 of the answer is that a lot of it is dependent on height.  People today are taller for various reasons.  Your 225# on a 6-4 frame isn't really huge but 225# on a 6-0 frame is a lot bigger and even more on a 5-10 frame.  
Beyond that, I think you almost have to do lifting of some sort to get really big.  Military style calisthenics (running, pushups, sit-ups, etc) will burn the fat off, but they aren't going to make you "huge".  My best guess, therefore, is that prior to modern stretching/lifting workouts most of those guys were getting to 225# not even through, as you put it "moderate strength training", but just through pushups and running.  

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« Reply #97 on: April 16, 2018, 12:39:56 PM »
creatine and other supplements have a role 
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