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Topic: Paterno.... HBO

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Drew4UTk

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Paterno.... HBO
« on: April 07, 2018, 10:14:39 PM »
I don't know what to make of that 'show' quite yet.  I'm certain HBO is proud of themselves for putting it together and all, but there was nothing shared that is anything we don't know, and.... it simply seems like an opportunity to re-open a wound that would be best left to rest.  

however, i'm thinking, and this is JUST me thinking, that they may have nailed it- that JoPa, at some level, might have known though he didn't realize he knew until it was thrown under his nose.  i've been in situations like that myself- one in particular almost as bad.  

a family we knew growing up.. the mom worked for my dad.. my parents had the family babysit me one weekend when i was likely 7 or 8- maybe as old as 9- and i saw something really weird about the youngest sister who was likely four or five at the time- and the brother's (who was a year younger than me) reaction to the same thing i saw... hindsight 20/20 and knowing now what i didn't know then it fit together and even now i wonder what my parents would have thought about it had i told them what i had seen- AFTER the fact's surfaced, it made complete sense and i recall thinking "i should have known" was teh first thing through my head when i learned about it... i carry guilt that i should have said something about what i saw because maybe it could have stopped it........ it was something, even in a child's mind, is "highly improbable" though mentioning it could cause all kinds of trouble for someone who is most likely not guilty of such a thing.... except for that hindsight thing and the funky tickle about it... if the truth hadn't of surfaced, i'd likely never have thought of that afternoon ever again.... such is the case i think JoPa may have been caught in?

they say JoPa was a huge fan of the Greek Tragedies. i don't know if that's true or if it's just romantic to say such a thing.  what i take as damn near offensive is the light in which the man's life and it's accomplishments are cast- and it begs the condition of human nature to damn everything a person has done with their life because of (real or perceived) singular failure.  

paradox's abound in this subject... I don't even know why i'm typing this up... i figured someone else would anyway, so i could at least set the tone on the subject and ask folks to at least consider all the absolute great things that man stood for.... and here is the punchline:  I never cared much for him.  i always respected and regarded him, though.    
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Re: Paterno.... HBO
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2018, 10:46:55 PM »
Unfortunately, child sexual abuse is much more common than most of us who grew up sheltered from it, would suspect. I am guessing my statement, perhaps would apply to Joe Paterno, as well. 
As an attorney, I know of a lot of worst moments in someone's life. It is unfortunate we spend excessive time on the singular worst moment one has in life, while allowing ourselves the feeling of moral superiority. I too, have a similar experience to yours.
As a school bus driver while a college student the co-worker I drove to work told me how guilty he felt about dozing off while driving and the right wheel slipped over the shoulder. I said nothing.
The very next day he rolled the school bus he was driving. The injuries were mostly, but not all, nonserious; one child had a fractured leg. The driver claimed he "blacked out" unexpectedly. Since then, I have spoken up about situations that threaten public safety.

Drew4UTk

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Re: Paterno.... HBO
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2018, 11:11:11 PM »
and that's the make of it... discovery shaping the future, not re-shaping the past.  but even that doesn't sound/feel right. like i said... paradox's in this subject are common.  i imagine it's something akin to finding justice after a wrong involving finality- something you can't get back, which has to feel triumphant, but doesn't excuse the absence.  

the lesson is 'speak up- don't let perceived shame stop you from doing what you have to do' i guess... but i wonder if that circumstance actually helped in that case?  of course there is yet another to compare it to now, but none taking down the reputation and tarnishing the accomplishments of a giant like Paterno was... because it likely didn't make addressing the situation for victims any easier (theoretically- could be argued the other way too- i'm just playing that angle with this comment), i question the effort to bring it back up and further tarnish the man. 

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Re: Paterno.... HBO
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2018, 11:33:22 AM »
Sandusky was probably abused when he was a boy as well.

Though the cycle is tough to break, the increased difficulty of getting away with such crimes (dna testing) combined with the increased punishment (prison/lifetime RSO status) and social stigma (demonization/erasure of every positive accomplishment) associated with it will hopefully work as a powerful deterrent.

Of course like all things it will probably go way to far the other direction, where people in their 20s will be considered "children" who are far too immature to legally give consent.
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ELA

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Re: Paterno.... HBO
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2018, 12:17:52 PM »
I'm glad HBO considered this so terrible, they needed to find a way to make money off of it.  Good for them.

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2018, 03:25:56 PM »
Bingo, @ELA ... 

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2018, 08:50:33 PM »
I followed the scandal so closely that a movie about didn't really add much for me, with one exception.  I thought the depiction of Joe Pa being naive to reaction seemed pretty good. Made the whole thing make more sense

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2018, 09:19:29 PM »
As a teacher who knows the statistics, I shudder to think how many of my students have/are/will deal with this crap.  Of course I'm required to report anything, but of course, I haven't seen or heard anything worthy of reporting.  But I've had hundreds of students, so there's a certainty a number of them are victims.  

I hate that those last 2 sentences are both true.  Hate it.  It's despicable.



On a different note - one of my few memories of kindergarten, a girl initiated certain touching with me a number of times during nap time.  Obviously, she was a victim, but of course I was 5 and didn't know better.  


It's so pervasive - it's not just the Catholic priests or coaches or people in power....it's literally everywhere.  In ever walk of life, at every economic level.  I don't know what the hell is wrong with people.
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