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Topic: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?

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bayareabadger

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2018, 06:50:13 AM »
My niece's husband is a Tech grad and likes to note they all have to take calculus at some point.  Of course, that doesn't apply if you don't graduate.

I'm sure it does limit their ability to attract players, along with having an odd offensive scheme.  
This contributes to one of the great schizophrenic conversations in CFB.Shluld Georgia Tech expect to be very good?
People always say ATLANTA! But then this comes up, and the fact it’s lucky if it has second-tier interest in its own city. 
I think Chan Gailey recruited ok there back in the day. But I wonder if that was more blip than not. 

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2018, 09:24:15 AM »
I think it is tougher for an "academic school" to have consistency in football at a high level.  But, the ones that do have a set of courses that players can take to remain eligible even if they are pretty far under the mean in academics.

The main deal for GT is that they are surrounded by recruiting powerhouses.

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #86 on: October 11, 2018, 04:18:42 PM »
was watching BTN last night - Husker 1997 team, talked a bit about Scott Frost from Wood River, NE going to Stanford instead of UNL.

Academics and the Bill Walsh passing school

didn't matter that Tom Osborne was becoming a legend, Scott's father played for Tom, Scott's mother was an athlete at UNL
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2018, 01:42:17 AM »
I think all of this focus on academics is a little misleading.  

Here is a link that I have posted before that lays out the enormous gap between football scores and scores of other students at major schools.  Michigan (997), Purdue (974), Indiana (973), and Iowa (964) all made the top-10 which is great.  The problem is that those scores aren't great and they are the best in the country.  Everybody else is even worse.  

I am not sure how I view this. Almost no one who attends Iowa takes the SAT. Iowans take the ACT (American College Testing) which is an Iowa City company. The Iowa SAT score results probably come from the few players they recruited from east of Illinois.

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #89 on: October 12, 2018, 05:18:31 PM »
http://investigations.myajc.com/football-admissions/


By Shannon McCaffrey and Nicholas Fouriezos | The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Apparently, these folks thought this was news worthy?  Been going on since the 1800's
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #90 on: October 12, 2018, 05:25:12 PM »
I think adding some numbers to the discussion was the thing.

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #91 on: October 12, 2018, 05:34:21 PM »
ahhh, like Medina does.....
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #92 on: October 12, 2018, 06:59:04 PM »
Would everyone be in favor of a "percentage cutoff" - all scholarship athletes must score/rate within X-% of their incoming FR class overall?  

That would really hamstring the Stanfords and such of the world.  We all know athletes gain entrance with lower scores, but 400+ points???  Football players getting in with sub-600 SAT scores?!?  

Is there one person who does this job at each school?  A committee?  I've heard of coaches jousting with admissions offices before, like at ND.  And of course there's tutoring going on, easy classes, etc as well, but those are such long-running things that they're accepted, imo.

But those things would help a student athlete who is somewhat behind his peers academically, not a kid who can't read (which has got to be true of a sub-600 SAT score).  Keeping a young person like that eligible would be impossible without improprieties, I think we'd all agree.  



Hell, if Vanderbilt is going to act like they're academically superior while getting spanked on the football field, then it needs to hold true.  My fear is that there is nearly zero uniformity when comparing admissions offices from school to school.  THAT is a problem.
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #93 on: October 12, 2018, 07:20:53 PM »
I like it the way it is...

The NCAA sets the bottom

the conference can set a higher bottom if they choose

the university can set whatever standard above those as it likes

if the University chooses to lower their standards for dumb jocks, it is the job of the newspaper to call them out
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #94 on: October 12, 2018, 08:23:52 PM »
Who would care, if the team is winning and the program is a helmet?
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #95 on: October 12, 2018, 08:36:06 PM »
if the team is winning not many care - just a few academics

helmet or not
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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #96 on: October 13, 2018, 07:34:25 AM »
I am surprised at the number of sub-600 SAT score players who were admitted.  That kind of score suggests someone who is probably not able to read well at all.  It hits me again what we all really realize that this is a semi-pro league in effect.  Very few of these students every graduate, or even make real progress in that direction.  I'm delighted some do of course, as they would not have had that chance otherwise.  But also some get injured, rather badly at times, and suffer the rest of their lives.

It's a topic of conflict in my mind, one I admit to ignoring most of the time.

In Europe, around 35% of HS students attend college.  Here, it's closer to 70%.  Our local HS would routinely hit 90% going to college.

Diesel mechanics can make pretty good wages these days.

There is a 29 story apartment building going up just next to us a bit and we walk by it every day and often stop to see what's happening.  The crane operator is a magician.  The top of the crane must be 400 feet in the air.  They have 3-4 guys directing traffic as the construction has consumed one lane of a one way street and only one lane is available.  They halt traffic when the crane is working nearby.

I guess they get paid pretty well also.  But I digress.

I think that may be my epitaph when my time is done here.

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Re: You're a 5* recruit. Where do you sign?
« Reply #97 on: October 13, 2018, 07:34:56 AM »
if the team is winning not many care - just a few academics

helmet or not
I doubt many care if the team is losing, unless they want the standards lowered so they can compete better.

 

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