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Topic: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?

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OrangeAfroMan

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Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« on: August 14, 2020, 03:08:10 AM »
The traditional option was widespread across the country by the mid-70s.  I'm not talking about Faurot inventing it or Wilkinson at OU or Yeoman's split veer, but the more modern option born in Austin with Ballard, under Royal.

Texas used it, OU perfected it...Bear Bryant implemented it, Florida and Georgia ran it, as did most decent programs.  Nebraska eventually implemented it and became its champion after others had moved on. 

But this thread is about those name programs who never made the leap:  USC.....Penn State.....who are some others?  I know USC had 'student body right' and relied on a talented RB and great defense.  Penn State seemed to set one of those big, talented PA QBs behind center and give him a decent number of pass attempts. 

From that era, around 72-79, soooo many programs were running the option.  Bo did, Woody did...the SWC was largely running it into the 90s.  Notre Dame seemed to dabble in it, but would let a talented QB run a more balanced offense.  This seems more rare than it perhaps should have been.

Who else didn't, and why?
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2020, 11:32:42 AM »
Tennessee was a strong program back then, did the Vols ever run the option?

the Big 8 was OU and NU and the other 6 that didn't run it or didn't run it well

I don't remember any PAC team running the option
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2020, 12:18:19 PM »
John Cooper ran it initially at OSU with Kirk Herbstreit. Not sure if he brought it over from ASU, or tailored his offense to the personnel. He switched to a pro style in the mid 90s to boost recruiting.
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2020, 02:11:43 PM »
Anything to do with what high schools were running at a time when recruiting was much more localized/regionalized?

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2020, 02:47:52 PM »
Purdue at the time was on a run of pretty good QBs, and I don't the option would have utilized their skills well. 

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2020, 02:53:18 PM »
it would have banged up their throwing shoulder well
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2020, 03:20:05 PM »
Anytime there is a coaching opening at IU there will be a group of fans advocating hiring an option coach. They always cite IU's historic recruiting struggles and think that going to the option would mitigate that. They also like to cite Georgia Tech as an example of a lesser program that competed in Power 5 conference by running the option. 

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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2020, 03:50:42 PM »
Tennessee was a strong program back then, did the Vols ever run the option?

the Big 8 was OU and NU and the other 6 that didn't run it or didn't run it well

I don't remember any PAC team running the option
UCLA did it for at least a couple of years under Vermeil.
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2020, 03:53:35 PM »
Anything to do with what high schools were running at a time when recruiting was much more localized/regionalized?
That's what I chalk up Penn State to....Rutledge, the Hostetlers, etc w/ fertile PA recruitnig.....I guess JoePa couldn't make them all LBs. 

Same with Purdue, who had at least a recent history of passing since Greise on to Herrmann, but idk if their recruiting areas had anything to do with that.

Does anyone know what Bowden ran at WV?  He never really ran the option at FSU, nor did Miami when 1980 came around. 
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2020, 03:59:52 PM »
it certainly helped Nebraska to be one of the only option teams in the 90s - not many better places for an option QB

but, Vick went to Va Tech and of course Frost went to Stanford until he realized he didn't have an NFL arm

back in the 70s and 80s the derned Sooners and Horns and Wolverines took many option QBs, recruiting competition was tough
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2020, 07:14:19 PM »
Tennessee was a strong program back then, did the Vols ever run the option?

the Big 8 was OU and NU and the other 6 that didn't run it or didn't run it well

I don't remember any PAC team running the option
When Kansas beat OU's eventual MNC team in '75, I believe that the Jayhawks were running the wishbone triple-option.  Nolan Cromwell was the KU QB.

John McKay started calling USC's offense the I-option.

I don't think that there's really a very bright line between Yeoman's veer and Bellard's wishbone.  The principles and blocking assignments are very similar.  The wishbone just adds a fullback.

Oklahoma State ran the wishbone for a season or two under--IIRC--Jim Stanly, the "Stanley Steamer."  That was about the time that oSu changed their orange color to the burnt shade.
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2020, 11:05:12 PM »
A little off-topic, but....
There have been a ton of QBs who gain meaningful yards, but didn't run the option.  This has stuck in my craw in pondering it for Whoa Nellie. 
QBs who are so elusive that a good chunk of the playbook becomes 'run around and make a play' - and I'd go so far to say HCs and/or OCs become a little lazy when they have such a luxury.  They call pass plays they know the QB isn't likely to progress through, because they know he'll escape and scramble for 7 yards. 

Vick was like that, and Vince Young.  But so, too, were Michael Bishop, Shawn Moore, Major Harris, Brad Banks, Doug Flutie, Don McPherson, Kordell Stewart, Rick Mirer, Kevin McDougal, and Charlie Ward.  Perfect read-option guys before the read-option (80s and 90s guys). 

It's tricky to call a pass, then have it be a run, and in a good way. Hard to mimic in game form, anyway.
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2020, 12:16:41 PM »
Did Fran Tarkenton run much--either by design or necessity--at Georgia?
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Re: Why didn't _____ ever implement the option?
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2020, 02:52:27 PM »
I think he's in the camp with Stabauch and Archie Manning, where they were running for their lives.  

I draw some distinction between them and the group I listed out in that back then, pass-pro wasn't great across the board, so those 60s/70s guys were more scrambling than not, on called pass plays behind porous OLs.  The more modern 80s/90s guys had better pass pro, but you'd notice some awkward plays where it's a pass play called, their first read wasn't there, and despite good pass pro, they're ready to run.  

Maybe I'm imagining it, but I do believe it to be a real difference, if not a minor one.
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