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Topic: Who's the Gators new H.C.?

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2017, 03:28:39 PM »
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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2017, 03:37:25 PM »
I'd go after Matt Campbell. 

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2017, 03:42:43 PM »
Who would want to follow Saban?  Dabo?  He has earned a lot of cred at Clemson, and then some.  I suspect Bama would have to try the coordinator route if Saban retired.  Whoever replaces Meyer will have the same issues unless they win at the level expected, which is "difficult".


Not Dabo. He's not going to set fire to the legend he's made of himself in Clemson. I think Bama manages a coordinator route, though their new AD likes to swing for the fences.

If you have a long term, level-headed AD I think what Ohio State did with Luke Fickell can yield huge results. Since it's darn near impossible to follow a legend, and one legend rarely follows another (think Ron Zook place holding between the Spurrier and Meyer regimes), I wouldn't mind a DA hiring a transitional interim while the ground is laid for a really big name. There just aren't many fan bases that will have the patience.  

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2017, 04:34:11 PM »
Les Miles
He's followed Saban before and that worked out pretty OK.
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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2017, 05:35:02 PM »
Going to be a lot of openings, and I suspect many of the new coaches will fail to meet expectations, which are simply too high in many places.  The Sabanator is in effect.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2017, 05:57:13 PM »
"Expectations" are interesting. There are several schools that have "expectations" that are through the roof.

MNC or Bust - conference title is just not enough:

Bama (last MNC: 2015)
OSU (2014)
USC (2004*)
Texas (2005)
FSU (2013)
Notre Dame (1988) (can't win anything but an MNC)

Those immediately come to mind.

Then there are some others where many of the fans think they should be competing for MNC's on a regular basis (whether there is a track record or not). Conference titles still feel great, except for some of the younger fans of a certain few of these teams who have not seen one:

Michigan (last conference title: 2004)
Penn State (2016)
Nebraska (1999)
Florida (2008)
Georgia (2005)
Auburn (2013)
LSU (2011)
Miami (2003) (all 376 of their fans feel this way, and only about 1/2 of them have seen a conference title)
Tennessee (1998)
Oklahoma (2016)


So, how is my grouping? Maybe move OU to the top group? Is Clemson in with this crowd yet?
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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2017, 06:53:55 PM »
there was very little talk of firing Stoops while he was beating Texas and winning the Big 12 regularly, even though he wasn't winning or playing for the MNC

and I feel conference championships would be fine for the vast majority of Longhorn fans for more than a few seasons

and USC trojans fans just really don't care that much about titles
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« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2017, 11:29:21 PM »
Care no,expect prolly
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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #36 on: November 07, 2017, 02:44:37 AM »
Florida hasn't hired any total stinkers - Muschamp was over .500 in-conference (better overall).  Believe it or not, Zook won 2/3 of his SEC games, as did McElwain, after this year's cliff-dive.

Many programs would ride it out, give them more time.  But 2/3 isn't good enough at Florida, and while those expectations might've been irrational after only Spurrier had excelled in Gainesville, the fact that Meyer did it too means that the peripherals are there.  A coach is either the right guy or he's not.  Spurrier - instant improvement, hell, from his first game.  Meyer - improvement, MNC in his 2nd year.  

Once, nationally, there was that run of 1st and 2nd-year coaches winning MNCs, patience went out the window.  Stoops, Coker, Sweater Vest, and Meyer all won MNCs their 1st or 2nd years.  

So why wait?  So your new guy's at 67% and you want to wait it out to see if he creeps over 70%, then struggles up over time to 75%.......meanwhile your rival's new coach is 21-3 in his first 24 games and is filling the trophy case.  

Can't afford to wait around anymore, not since 15 years ago or so.
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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2017, 06:49:35 AM »
Pondering the delta in terms of wins between "so-so coach" who was fired and "new coach" who happens to be Urban Meyer Junior, "we" came up with 2-3 extra wins a year, after 2-3 years or so.  That hinges on the program being able to recruit at a pretty high level, not a program that has been 4-8 for decades (but maybe even them).

Thus, you might go from 7-6 to 10-3 in two years and hopefully continue an upward trajectory.  That is for a whammo hire, and is probably what fans expect, no?

Of course, then you look at say UGA who was 10-3 for two years running when they fired Richt (and then went to 8-5).

The other side of course is that UM Juniors are hard to find, rare in other words, and maybe you might miss more often than hit, so you COULD go through 3-4-5-6 coaches who are no better than you current "Butch Jones".  After a 3-4-5 years with new Coach Mediocre, you rinse and repeat, after going say 7-6, 9-4, 8-5, 7-6, fire and hire again.

This all looks pretty risky to me (duh).  It to me is a bit like selling a stock and going to cash, or buying some different stock without the option of "going to cash".  I suspect some/many of these coaches are fired in part because they had a falling out with the administration by saying inappropriate things that may have cost them another year.

Is Dan Mullen a miracle worker, or just a solid coach?  Is he 3 wins better than MacElwain, or just two, or even only one?  Or zero?  Hmmmmmmmmmm..................

Let's ask Arkansas fans.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2017, 06:50:19 AM »
Florida hasn't hired any total stinkers
How many wins would a "total stinker" have at Florida?  

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2017, 08:40:27 AM »
Well, looking at other helmet SEC schools - Derek Dooley was obviously a stinker.  Shula at Bama.  Sub-.500 guys in conference games would be a total stinker for name-programs like Florida, Tennessee, or Alabama, no?

This is why I think offense matters, at least for Florida fans.  You just look at the attitude of the Muschamp regime, and you'd think he went 0-8 every year.  But he was over .500 overall - which is awful, but not Derek Dooley-awful.  He's lumped in with the plague in Gainesville because he won games 12-10....on purpose!  How dare he!

.531 Muschamp (conf games, @ UF)
.406 Shula @ Bama
.174 Dooley @ UT
.125 Orgeron @ OM (not on par with the other programs, but still a crap hire...have fun, LSU)

Now, the Dooley hire was obviously a comically bad one from the start.  He didn't do jack at La Tech, so of course let's hire him at Tennessee, right?  LOL

Now, we have UGA doing well this year after hiring Smart.  Okay, but what's the difference between hiring Smart and the hire of Muschamp?  The hires could be equally 'smart' initially, with unknown (and possibly unknowable) factors playing into their potential successes and failures.  Muschamp didn't work out and Smart looks like he may work out......yeah, it's a crapshoot.

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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #40 on: November 07, 2017, 08:45:38 AM »
I agree it's tough to know after 2-3 years.  UGA seems to be recruiting at a high level under Smart, so that is suggestive that he has that part of coaching down, but Richt recruited well also.  Richt was far from a "stinker" also.  Fans say the culture has changed, but that may be fan optimism.

Is Mullen "that guy"?  Is he 2 wins better than Mac?  No clue.  Florida needs a QB badly I think and the rest would follow.

I hope they get QBs badly myself, but that is an aside.

Of the various possibilities than can happen in hiring a new HC, it seems many of them are not good (to me).  Firing a decent coach in hopes of getting a great coach strikes me as a crap shoot or worse.


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Re: Who's the Gators new H.C.?
« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2017, 08:58:03 AM »
Not Dabo. He's not going to set fire to the legend he's made of himself in Clemson. I think Bama manages a coordinator route, though their new AD likes to swing for the fences.
I agree,many Tide fans just assume there will be this seamless transition when St Nick hangs them up.
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