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Topic: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?

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MarqHusker

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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2020, 10:59:25 PM »
I voted Oregon narrowly over the Field.   They have total  committment from school, donors and have developed a pretty good track record of recruiting outside PNW.    Someone has to be the big fish in this consensus of a shrinking 'west coast'.  I think if you accept the possibility that they could finish undefeated for the season, something they have proven they can do,  why cant they win two games in the present day format?

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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2020, 11:51:10 PM »
I voted Washington narrowly over Oregon because my impression is they have a longer association with winning football, and it is a very attractive growing area.

But, my thoughts are it is a crap shoot. There is no reason Wisconsin, South Carolina, North Carolina or even Iowa
 couldn't win it all. 

In 1985, Iowa had a team that could have won the national championship. All Iowa needs today is a top QB, an offensive coordinator, and a better interior offensive line. Everything else is in place. If Nate Stanley's successor is surprisingly good, and the O-Line learned how to run block Iowa would be right in the mix. 

Great QB recruits are not itching to come to Iowa because Hayden Fry and Bill Snyder are long gone, so Iowa fans will have to wait.

Wisconsin has more things in place than Iowa. They have the O-Line and running game. They need a QB and receivers.

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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2020, 07:34:17 AM »
I really thought Brutus would have more to say on this subject
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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2020, 08:07:59 AM »
I chose Oregon because they have come the closest of the bunch, but playing in a relatively weak conference plus limited local recruiting (IMHO, there really isn't all that much talent west of the Rockies - CA talent is overrated) hampers their potential a bit.  They appear primed to knock at the door again.

One team to watch out for is UCF.  If the ACC ever extends an invitation, they may well challenge Clemson for conference supremacy.

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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2020, 08:15:08 AM »
If you could somehow combine Wisconsin's lines with Oregon's skill players...
… you'd have Ohio State.
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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2020, 09:11:14 AM »
Can we write in Akron or Kent?
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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2020, 09:26:14 AM »
no, but you can choose "field"

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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2020, 10:03:39 AM »

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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2020, 10:10:03 AM »
As a general issue, I think it is a LOT less likely for any team to win their first AP Title now that we have a playoff.  I'll explain with two examples:

First, consider Iowa in 2015:
The Hawkeyes had a favorable cross-over schedule in which they played:

  • 1-7 Maryland and
  • 2-6 Indiana
While they missed:
  • 7-1 Michigan State,
  • 7-1 Ohio State,
  • 6-2 Michigan,
  • 4-4 Penn State, and
  • 1-7 Rutgers
They had a manageable but not awful OOC in which they played two P5 teams (ISU which finished 3-9 and Pitt which finished 8-5) along with a horrible FBS team (N. Texas) and an FCS team (IllSt).  They got to the B1GCG at 8-0/12-0 and ranked #4 in the AP Poll behind 12-0 Clemson, 11-1 Bama, and 11-1 Oklahoma.  

In the old, pre-playoff days they probably would have been #2 behind only Clemson.  

1997 and prior:  In the pre-BCS days they would not have had to play a CG and would have headed to Pasadena to play a relatively weak Pac Champion.  Then, all they would have needed to win an NC would have been to beat Stanford and hope Clemson got upset in their bowl.  

1998-2010:  In the BCS but pre-B1GCG days they would likely have been #2 and played Clemson in the BCSNCG.  Then it is just a one-game shot.  All they would have needed is one upset.  

2010-2013:  In the BCS/B1GCG days they would have needed just two upsets, a minor upset in the B1GCG (they almost got) and an upset of Clemson in the BCSNCG.  

In the modern era they were nowhere close to a NC.  They got to 8-0/12-0 but to win an NC they would have needed:
  • A minor upset of MSU in the B1GCG (even here, they were VERY lucky that it was MSU and not tOSU).  
  • A HUMONGOUS upset of Alabama in the CFP semi-final.  To illustrate just how far this was from reality, the MSU team that beat Iowa in the B1GCG got smoked 38-0 by Bama in the CFP semi-final.  
  • Another HUMONGOUS upset of Clemson in the CFPCG.  

Several people have mentioned Oregon and the fact that they were "close" in 2010.  Well, they were but the same issue applies for the Ducks.  In 2010 the Ducks got to 12-0 and #2 in the AP Poll.  That got them into the BCSNCG where all they needed was a win over Auburn.  Again, look at eras:

1997 and prior:  The Ducks would have headed to the Rose Bowl at 12-0 needing only a win and an upset of Auburn to win an NC.  

1998-2010:  The Ducks would get into the BCSNCG and need just a single upset win to get an NC.  

2010-2013:  The Ducks would have had to play a P12CG, then the BCSNCG.  

2014-present:  From the point that they got to 12-0, the Ducks would need the following to win an NC:
  • A P12CG win,
  • A HUMONGOUS upset over a CFP team in the semi-final, and
  • A HUMONGOUS upset over a CFP semi-final winner in the CFPCG.  

Oregon was close in 2010 but that same scenario today wouldn't really be very close.  

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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2020, 10:14:16 AM »
As a general issue, I think it is a LOT less likely for any team to win their first AP Title now that we have a playoff.  I'll explain with two examples:
all true, but it's also less likely for any helmet team to win a title as well

takes a great team and a little luck

LSU obviously had a great team, LSU was also a bit lucky they didn't have to play tOSU in the final
If Iowa or Oregon fields a great team next season AND they have a bit of luck, it could happen.
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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2020, 10:26:27 AM »
all true, but it's also less likely for any helmet team to win a title as well
For any individual helmet team, yes.  However, for the helmets as a group it is MORE likely.  
takes a great team and a little luck
You may remember, in another thread a while back I was having a discussion with @utee94 in which I stated that it took some luck.  Some of that luck is simply having a great team in the right year.  I think that 2019-tOSU was a great team.  Frankly, I think that team would win the NC most years but this year there was an equal* (or near-equal) in Clemson and a superior team in LSU.  Most years you wouldn't see that.  At most there would be one near-equal and you wouldn't get them until the CG and only if they made it.  
LSU obviously had a great team, LSU was also a bit lucky they didn't have to play tOSU in the final
This is what I was referring to when I called Clemson a "near equal" of Ohio State.  Looking at that game, I think Ohio State was a better team that happened to lose but Clemson was clearly at least close to the Buckeyes or else it wouldn't have been so close that one or two plays could flip the game.  All-in-all, I agree that LSU was somewhat lucky to face Clemson rather than tOSU but I think that was a relatively slight difference.  

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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2020, 10:43:47 AM »
I agree with all of that
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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2020, 10:54:16 AM »
I think it's Oregon, and it isn't close.  Nike has spent them into a powerhouse in other sports.   Plus, when the tourney inevitably goes to 8, they won't have to worry about a non conference loss to Auburn.  If it doesn't go to 8, they should start scheduling like Washington

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Re: Which school will be the next to win their first AP National Title?
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2020, 11:17:36 AM »
I just don't see how Oregon can overcome the size differential in the trenches. We've seen time and again what happens when they go up against actual National Title contenders, yet we continue to fawn over their flashy offense when they spank a bunch of teams out west. That will get you a lot of Pac 12 Titles, but it isn't going to win you back to back games against top 4 opponents. I think Wisconsin is a lot closer as they have the lines shored up consistently. They just need to sprinkle in a couple skill players and find a Russel Wilson type to get them the ball.
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