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Topic: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?

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FearlessF

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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2020, 11:37:02 AM »
the Gophers were close to the doorstep, not on it.

Purdue could be that next season with a little luck
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2020, 11:53:45 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on January 28, 2020, 10:14:25 AM
Was Purdue actually good? Or did they just have their usual good game vs the Buckeyes, and squeak into a bowl game?
No. At least not for the purposes of this discussion (making CFP debut). 

I think the coaching is there, but Purdue's talent level isn't even remotely in the league of anyone that would make the CFP. It's not even Minnesota level. Which means Purdue would have to *wildly* overachieve just to make the CCG, and would likely be a significant underdog. 

Purdue's 7-6 (2017) and 6-7 (2018) seasons were basically makeshift units held together with smoke, mirrors, and baling wire. 2019 had the smoke and mirrors, but the baling wire failed (injuries derailed the season). 

I think there's a bright future ahead, because recruiting has been outstanding [by West Lafayette standards], and those players in 2020 and 2021 will finally start to have matured and had the time in the S&C program to start contributing. 

But Purdue absolutely shouldn't be on the list of choices for this vote. They'd get zero. I'm a homer and I wouldn't even vote for them out of just blind hope. They belong in "P5 field". 
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2020, 12:58:52 PM »
well, no one is voting the Gophers either, obviously

wouldn't that be something - rowing the boat in the playoff
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2020, 01:36:08 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on January 28, 2020, 12:58:52 PM
well, no one is voting the Gophers either, obviously

wouldn't that be something - rowing the boat in the playoff

They'd need quite a bit more sustained success.  Obviously the Penn State and Auburn wins showed flashes that the Gophers could play with top level teams...but they also had a few clunkers.
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2020, 02:49:48 PM »
well, competing well in the 4-team playoff and making a CFP debut are different

it would have taken a helluv an upset of the Buckeyes for the Gophers to debut, but the lost @Iowa I wouldn't consider a clunker.

more total yards, time of possession and more first downs and losing by 4.

even the lopsided loss to the Badgers was a game late in the 3rd.  more time of possession, more first downs, 372 yards of offense and held Taylor to 76 yards rushing

they were pretty close, not there, but if they take another step forward next season....... it might be the bit more
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2020, 03:09:46 PM »
What is on the doorstep?  Top 8?  Last time each school was that close with 3 or fewer games left?  I'd say Minnesota qualifies.  Teams in bold actually finished the regular season top 4, and either made the CFP, or would have had it existed

Ohio State - December 9, 2019
Wisconsin - December 1, 2019
Penn State - November 17, 2019
Minnesota - November 10, 2019
Michigan - December 2, 2018
Iowa & Michigan State - December 6, 2015
Rutgers - November 12, 2006
Illinois, Maryland & Nebraska - December 2, 2001
Northwestern - December 3, 1995
Purdue - November 3, 1968
Indiana - November 26, 1967
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2020, 03:56:13 PM »
Quote from: ELA on January 28, 2020, 03:09:46 PM
What is on the doorstep?  Top 8?  Last time each school was that close with 3 or fewer games left?  I'd say Minnesota qualifies.  Teams in bold actually finished the regular season top 4, and either made the CFP, or would have had it existed

Ohio State - December 9, 2019
Wisconsin - December 1, 2019
Penn State - November 17, 2019
Minnesota - November 10, 2019
Michigan - December 2, 2018
Iowa & Michigan State - December 6, 2015
Rutgers - November 12, 2006
Illinois, Maryland & Nebraska - December 2, 2001
Northwestern - December 3, 1995
Purdue - November 3, 1968
Indiana - November 26, 1967
Which also raises the question, and not getting into selection procedures.  What years would the teams had made the playoffs, going back to the first AP Poll in 1936

Ohio State (24) - 2019, 2016, 2014, 2012, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2002, 1998, 1996, 1995, 1979, 1975, 1974, 1973, 1972, 1970, 1969, 1968, 1961, 1957, 1954, 1944, 1942
Michigan (15) - 2006, 2003, 1997, 1991, 1989, 1986, 1977, 1976, 1974, 1971, 1964, 1948, 1947, 1943, 1940
Nebraska (13) - 2001, 1999, 1997, 1995, 1994, 1993, 1984, 1983, 1982, 1981, 1971, 1970, 1965
Michigan State (9) - 2015, 2013, 1966, 1965, 1957, 1955, 1953, 1952, 1951
Penn State (8) - 2005, 1994, 1986, 1985, 1982, 1978, 1969, 1968
Iowa (5) - 2002, 1985, 1960, 1958, 1956
Wisconsin (4) - 2010, 1999, 1962, 1942
Maryland (4) - 1976, 1955, 1953, 1951
Minnesota (4) - 1960, 1941, 1940, 1936
Illinois (3) - 1983, 1963, 1951
Indiana (2) - 1967, 1945
Northwestern (1) - 1995
Purdue (1) - 1943
Rutgers (0)
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2020, 04:14:05 PM »
I'd say the doorstep for the Big Ten would be making it to Indy but peeing down your leg (Wisconsin) or getting upset during rivalry week when you were otherwise a shoo in (The Wolverines) or being on the bubble with a win over OSU en route to a Big Ten Title, but winding up on the outside looking in (Penn St).
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2020, 04:16:56 PM »
Helluva list by the Buckeyes, but curiously absent in the 80's
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2020, 04:37:30 PM »
In the 80s the recruiting picked up but the production tailed off
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2020, 04:50:19 PM »
tough decade for the Big

1989, 1986 for Michigan and 1985 for the Hawks
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2020, 05:00:03 PM »
It's a good thing there wasn't a playoff in '95.  
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Re: Which non-helmet school will be the next to make their CFP debut?
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2020, 05:22:56 PM »
might have been ugly
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