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Where were you?
« on: September 11, 2021, 08:39:07 AM »
20 years ago today?

I was in my office early, and I did have the TV on.

I saw video of the first plane to hit, and I was thinking that is some bad navigational practice. Then, #2 hit and I immediately thought that we are under attack.

Chilling to think about.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2021, 08:41:30 AM »
I was on a golf course just south of Sioux Falls.  Company outing.

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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2021, 08:46:10 AM »
In college and was at a lady friend's place and her sister woke us up with a phone call.  A great night yielded to a sad morning.

We turned the TV on after the 1st plane hit, but right before the 2nd one did.  She still thought it was an accident, but I knew without a doubt that the 2nd one meant it was on purpose. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2021, 09:05:07 AM »
I was the oblivious one. College student, just moved into a new apartment. Classes hadn't started yet. 

I slept in. Walked over to Lane Ave Mall. My first sign that something was amiss was when I noticed that most of the stores were closed at the mall. That was weird. But no one spilt the beans. 

Got home and turned on the TV in order to play a video game, and it was all over the news. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2021, 09:26:04 AM »
I remember my first semester high school junior schedule because of today.  Things would have started happening when I was in Spanish 2nd period, but we didn't known.  I walked into 3rd period (a 2 period block of chemistry) and someone said plane ran into the twin towers.  I remember another student saying, don't listen to him, he makes things up.  There was a tv in that room (most did not have) so Mr. Weigman turned it on.  We were supposed to be reviewing for a test the next day and we went back and forth with tv on and reviewing.  I am not sure I saw the towers fall live or when turned back on (I lean to the latter).  I also remember them reporting things like bombs reported on Brooklyn Bridge.  I imagine we stopped studying after a bit and just watched.

We were supposed to watch a movie in sociology, but teacher left TV in library (so others could use too) and we went down there to watch coverage.  There were tvs for lunch too.

The last two periods of the day, were math and AP History.  In math we still took our test.  In AP History, we talked about history and not about 9/11.  That sounds weird to think, but that teacher was one of the best and he was pretty singularly focused on getting everyone ready for AP test and we were in the 1700s, not 2001.

That night we watched Independence Day.

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2021, 10:01:08 AM »
As some of you may know, I'm an Air Traffic Controller.  I figured this might be worth sharing here as some of you may appreciate a different perspective of that day.  This is a first hand account of 9/11 from former National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA) President John Carr:

OUR NATION'S DARKEST DAY; OUR PROFESSIONS FINEST HOUR

I had finally found a cup of coffee, grabbed my briefcase, and settled into a comfortable spot in the lobby of the Doubletree Hotel in downtown New Orleans just after 7:30 a.m. on Sept. 11, 2001. I was waiting for Ray Gibbons, Fac Rep of C90, so we could do a teleconference.

CNN droned in the background, and I focused on my notes. As Ray crossed the lobby the announcer cut to New York where there had been some sort of explosion or crash at the World Trade Center. I looked up just in time to see the network TV chopper shot. Through the bubbled window, the announcer shouted to be heard over the background rotor noise.

But the picture. Oh God, the picture. Smoke was roiling out of a tower that looked like it had been whacked with a samurai sword. The anchor said a small plane had hit the World Trade Center. You could plainly see the damage was nearly 10 stories high and almost as wide as the tower itself. My mind raced to make sense of what I saw. My cell rang.

“John? Mike Blake.” Mike was the NE RVP at the time and was on the boards at ZBW that day.

“Are you watching TV?” Mike asked. Odd question, I thought, but I told him that I was. “Well, that’s American 11.”

I said, “Mike, what channel are you watching? Something just hit the World Trade Center!” And then the hammer dropped.

“John, that’s American 11 that hit the World Trade Center. We were working him, they hijacked him and he turned around, flew directly south and drove straight into the building.” I said something un- printable that started with, “You’ve got to be...” and then there was a pause.

“And John?”

I was furiously writing notes at this point - Ray reading upside down and me pointing at the notes and the TV. Ray was giving me his one-eyebrow-up death stare when Mike said, “John, there’s another one on the way to New York. We lost a second one just like the  first, and it’s headed for New York.”

Then Mike said that the sector working the aircraft had heard the hijackers’ voices, and they had mentioned having “some planes.”

“Planes, John. Plural. Planes. We’re pulling the tapes now to check it out.” I told Mike to keep me posted and hung up. Moments later, we sat staring at the scene unfolding as the second tower exploded in a 50-story  fireball.

It was 9 a.m. in New Orleans, and time for the second day of our union’s very  first  five-region Combined Meeting to begin. I contacted my wife, upstairs and pregnant with our first child, to make sure she was secure. I quickly made contact with Ruth Marlin, NATCA’s EVP, and the rest of the NEB. We started making emergency contingency plans. The Eastern Region was present and their hometowns were under attack. 

Information now poured in like staccato machine gun bursts. Fifteen missing airliners. A confirmed hijacked Delta jumbo jet being forced down in Cleveland. East Coast heavy departures streaming towards tall towers in Chicago, Denver and the West Coast. The Pentagon hit. A jumbo jet missing in Tennessee. A 757 flying inverted, then crashing in Pennsylvania. 

I asked the hotel to put CNN on the giant overhead screen, and we announced to the regional attendees that the meeting was cancelled. We would use the meeting space to update everyone on information from the FAA as it became available.

New York Center closed. Nationwide ground stop. Land all planes. Jane Garvey, then the FAA administrator, had departed the night before on a commercial flight, leaving Bill Peacock, head of Air Traffic, to meet with our reps on the second day of our meeting.

We tracked Bill down as he was packing. He was swamped with calls and data. “The airspace is shut down,” he said to Ruth and me. “The agency is sending the jet down to take me back to D.C. Do you want to go with me?”

I had a brief discussion with Ruth; I had Jill with me, and our next NEB meeting had already been booked for the following week in Cleveland, my hometown. Pat Forrey was also at the meeting and could travel with me. I had a rental car, a commodity becoming more precious by the minute. I also felt responsible for the NATCA members left stranded in New Orleans. I felt I owed it to them to not only try to get them home but also keep them on excused absence while they traveled.

It made sense for Ruth to travel back to D.C., with Peacock. Bill said, “Get your stuff. With the exception of the president, med-evacs and fighter jets, we’ll be the only ones  flying.”

When the order went out to land everything at the nearest airport, 700 aircraft were landed in the  first four minutes, 2,800 in the  first hour, and over 4,500 within the  first three hours. Over a million passengers landed without incident. 

The landing of those aircraft stands as the single greatest feat in all of ATC history. You might as well have pulled a bunny out of your scope. I never called the office to check up on them; I never once worried that they were anything but safe and doing whatever needed to be done. I never checked in with the facreps or any of the facilities to see how the shutdown was progressing; there was no need. It was going perfectly because it had to.

Many in the aviation community, myself included, stand convinced that the grounding of the system that day prevented further attacks. In the rush to disembark passengers, all evidence of box cutters and Mace was likely carried off the airplanes with the would-be terrorists. I suspect that attacks were set to continue like rigid clockwork throughout the day; I think the terrorists assumed that the capitalist West would never shut down the money pipe and put all the airplanes on the ground. 

If you think like a terrorist, a day of rolling thunder from sea to shining sea seems possible when you begin your morning by murdering almost 3,000 innocent people.

The rest of the day was a blur as news came in and went out. Sadly, late that morning, I received word that Doug McKay, a controller at Boston Center, had lost his wife on American 11. She had left the house early that morning and boarded her  flight for the West Coast. Doug got up later and drove into work, only to be met at the gate by his co-workers who already knew the horror facing their co-worker and his two young children.

As a union, together we donated enough sick leave to see him to his rightful retirement a year and a half later. I carried a handwritten scrap of paper with the sick leave hours Doug needed in my wallet for almost two years working that issue. 

Brad Troy headed up our Critical Incident Stress Management (CISM) response, and we were in immediate contact on the morning of the 11th. The FAA was cooperative, and we dispatched teams to D.C., New York, Boston and Cleveland.

We had a chance to fan out to the other local area facilities as well. I had always been impressed by our CISM program, and when our debriefers finally got to their respective locations they made themselves available to anyone who wanted to meet. 

I was very proud of our response to the crisis in terms of helping our members work through their natural responses to the tragedy. The FAA helped us to rush to the aid and com- fort of our brethren on the front end. This cooperation kept FAA employees productive and, more importantly, healthy on the back end. I give the FAA a lot of credit for that.

In New Orleans, it took a day or two but slowly small gaggles of rental cars banded together and headed out towards facilities in N.Y., Charlotte, Seattle, and anywhere a family member could meet us as the convoy drove by. By car, bus and rail, the reps found a way to get out of town and get back to their families and facilities.

In the days and weeks that followed 9/11, Joel Brown, Martin Cole, Mike Hull, Dennis McGee, Don Ossinger, Wade Stanfield, Jerry Whitaker, Ruth Marlin and Dale Wright manned the Emergency Operations Center at the FAA, rotating through 24-hour shifts much of the time. They saw and heard things most couldn’t fathom.

Missing crop dusters full of anthrax. Cargo ships in the Baltimore Harbor with suspected WMD on the top containers aimed up the Potomac at the Capitol. Student pilots from foreign countries enrolling for more flying lessons. The FAA needed the Emergency Ops to make immediate and bind- ing decisions. This was FBI/CIA/NSA-type stuff that the NEB would need to stand behind forevermore. These professionals were so damn good it’s scary now to remember. They pitched a no-hitter for us, for the system, and for their country.

These folks were pulling 24-hour shifts and sticking around afterwards to help because the work was top secret and critically important. I remember that Mike Hull called me at 10 p.m. one evening sounding like he was 90 years old.

“Johnny, they just rolled the bomb squad for a device they found outside the front door here at FAA. While I’m evac’d I’m gonna grab a smoke and something to eat. We’re going to get XYZ signed so they can resume sightseeing flights over the Grand Canyon first thing tomorrow. Hey, they found that missing glider. Do you want me to get you a sandwich?” It was like talking to James Bond. “Yeah, Mike, get me a shoe phone.”

All NATCA members – every single bargaining unit – create a unique institution, a guardian of this country’s liberty tasked with public safety. On that September morning, those challenges were answered by the deeds of the strong – deeds that will remain recorded in history books long after the mousy squeaks of yesterday’s critics fade into oblivion.

When someone asks you why you belong to a union, tell them this great nation is only 12 percent union, yet on that infamous day 20 percent of her dead were union members. While thousands fled for their lives, hundreds of union men and women ran towards those burning towers, up those jet-fueled stairs, helping others to safety as they marched themselves headlong into their own graves.

The beast did not destroy our nation like it did so many innocents that brilliant, beautiful and sinister day. The treachery of zealots did not extinguish the flame of liberty. On the contrary, it fanned it. The imbeciles who blindly followed Osama “I Met Seal Team Six And All I Got Was This Giant Hole In My Head” Bin Laden did not steal the essence that is true freedom in a democracy. No, my friends, they stole nothing; children still laugh and play in the streets and playgrounds.

Since that morning 10 years ago, America’s military has taken the fight to the enemies’ dingy little corner of the world, chasing gutless cowards across the globe. Over 6,000 of our country’s bravest fighting men and women have made the ultimate sacrifice, paying with their lives for our freedom to live as we choose. As the saying goes, freedom really isn’t free after all.

Our forefathers faced an enemy who approached their shores with overwhelming force and superior firepower, and they could have withered. Instead, they stated their intent: “Live Free or Die.” And so, they did: both, in great numbers. 

On Sept. 11, 2001, a new generation of Americans were branded with that iron, baptized by burning fires in New York, D.C. and Pennsylvania. And so we did, and so we have, and so we will.

A Partial Final Tally:

Estimated number of children who lost a parent in the attacks:  3051

Number of children of NYC firefighters who lost a parent:  1200

Number of families who got no remains:  1,717

Number of days WTC continued to burn after attack:  99

Percentage of Americans who knew someone hurt or killed:  20

Number of body parts found:  19,858

Bodies found intact:  289

Source: New York Magazine

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2021, 10:13:51 AM »
I had a vacation day at home and was working out in the yard trim painting the garage - beautiful day.Ironically Cleveland-Hopkins Airport is 4 miles away and flight 93 turned around over Cleveland.I remember hearing jet engine's but that could have been from NASA Lewis Reseach right next to the Airport that tested engine's.On a side note my Brother  was the ATC on duty in the Johnstown Pa tower not far Shanksville (30 miles) when this happened.Cleveland Tower contacted Johnstown and he contacted the plane but the transponder was shut off.He's pretty tight lipped and I didn't find this out until the next day when I read in the paper that Tom Brokaw's people contacted him about events
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2021, 10:48:57 AM »
Was in law school,  prof declared 'we're at war people...' At 10am they canceled classes..  sat at a diner for a few hours with classmates as we watched coverage..  then had an interview with the Texas Rangers ownership group for summer internship.    They kept the interviews on schedule as it wasn't like they were able to fly home to DFW.   Very strange situation.   I remember going to DC a couple weeks later for a legal conference,  never seen that city so low key and quiet.  

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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2021, 11:41:45 AM »
I was sitting at m desk at work when I heard on the radio about a plane hitting the WTC. I assumed it was a small plane and an accident, but I pulled up CNN on my computer to see what was going on.  Wasn't too much longer when I watched the 2nd tower go up in flames and knew it wasn't an accident.

My wife (we weren't married then) worked on 5th Ave in Manhattan, she tells about watching the towers fall and all the dust and it being really dark.  I can't remember how long she told me to walk barefoot off the island. She was unable to get ahold of her late husband to let him know she was ok, but somehow her brother in Boston was able to get ahold of her and relay a message to her husband 

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2021, 11:53:29 AM »
I was at home, in my parent's bedroom (we were a TV in the parents' bedroom instead of the living room household) before school. I was complaining to my mom about wanting to transfer after like three weeks of HS. I turned on the TV and saw a plane hit one of the towers, and all I could think about was how surreal that first time seeing it was. Flying a plane into the tallest buildings in the country wasn't a real thing to do. It was in a bad movie or a video game. Even if we got attacked, someone wasn't going to do THAT, right?

Took the bus to school, which was not canceled. Driver put on Howard Stern. We just kind of wandered from class to class, some learning, some talking about it, TVs mostly on. One teacher, feeling philosophical, explained that when we were there, they functioned as our parents when our parents weren't around, which was odd to think about in the moment. 

Looking back, I think about small acts. I read this thread and it got to me. Just folks doing a thing they don't have to do and might not otherwise, just because it's a thing that helps. My people have a phrase that means "repair the world," and those little moments stick. 


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I also listened to a podcast about this story, which is another such moment. (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2002/02/11/the-real-heroes-are-dead)

As I look back at it, at points I feel like those moments with first responders became, in a way, hermetically sealed off. There was such a rush to honor, to talk about, to dedicate moments of silence, that it felt like those small acts were brushed over, at least to me. 

Like, a lot of those folks had to be just shit-your-pants scared, or just have to pretend that there wasn't a decent chance their kids would lose a parent or spouse would lose a partner at days end. Everything was so head-down in a way, it never felt like it was truly dwelled on in that way. 

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2021, 01:48:31 PM »
I was newly married at the time and working for the family business again. I had just graduated college the previous winter. We heard them on the radio, the normally jovial and crude radio show was talking in hushed tones. All they knew was that a plane had hit the WTC. It seemed to be an accident, and there were people speculating it had been a small plane. 

The speculation stopped once the second plane hit. I can’t recall if I was watching live on tv but by then everybody knew it was obviously a big plane and intentional. 

We stayed glued to the tv the rest of the day as the events unfolded. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2021, 02:36:06 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2021, 06:02:24 PM »
I was a senior in HS.

As a kid about to turn 18 I knew my future decisions were about to change.  I had several conversations with friends, none of us who had ever considered enlisting, about what the right decision was.  Unlike many who made the same decision I did (not to), I have always have great hesitations about inserting myself into political discussions that I was unwilling to commit myself to when I had the choice.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2021, 07:44:03 PM »
I was a junior in high school.  We were outside doing marching band practice in the morning when the attacks started.  My second class of the day was French.  We has a substitute that day who was nowhere to be found at the beginning of class.  He came in and spouted off a couple of sentences about planes hitting the World Trade Center before darting back out the door.  We all thought he was crazy but we were not really sure what to do.  The 8 of us in that class kind of came to a slow realization as he came back in with other brief updates what was actually going on.  My classes the rest of the day were all just focused on watching the news.  I remember that my football coach was upset that he had to cancel practice, as he could not figure out why we should be worried about anything happening in Iowa.  

I remember having discussions afterward in my government class about the decisions to go to war.  I did not enlist, but I did commission in 2007 before medical school and have been on active duty for the past 10 years in the Navy.  I am sitting deployed on a warship right now following the Iowa-ISU game on gametracker.  Armed Forces Network decided they would rather televise Georgia-UAB.  I just finished writing an email to my preschooler about how the events of the day have still been impacting my life in ways that I did not expect, as recently as the past several weeks.

 

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