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Topic: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #84 on: July 05, 2022, 08:23:25 AM »
Cons:

Staying independent is very important to Notre Dame.
There would be a significant buyout to separate from the ACC. 

Pros:

Rivalries are important to Notre Dame, most of their rivals are/will be in the B1G.
Staying relevant to any national playoff is important, may not be possible as an independent. 
Money or staying in the black is important to Notre Dame, they stand to make about twice what they're getting from NBC.
Notre Dame has already joined the Big Ten for hockey.
Notre Dame has already kind of joined a conference for football.


It would seem the logical thing to do would be for the Irish to join the B1G.  But this is Notre Dame we're talking about.   As prickly and narcissistic school as there is.  I don't see the Irish joining the Big Ten at this time.  I wish they would if that would mean a frequent if not annual Michigan-Notre Dame game.  
A decade of Victory over Penn State.

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #85 on: July 05, 2022, 08:25:50 AM »
This half in half out stuff is weird to me.  It comes down to money, I think, no matter how narcissistic and special they are, and the B1G is money.

They have to go 12-0 to be considered for the playoff in most years.  A conference team obviously can go 12-1 and get in.

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #86 on: July 05, 2022, 09:05:08 AM »
money will eventually push the Irish into a conference, unless they decide to go the way of the Ivy League schools

I'm just not sure it will be within the next 5 years
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #87 on: July 05, 2022, 09:52:57 AM »
@Hawkinole has mentioned this Iowa/ND rivalry and it is something I had never heard of other than in his posts on this board so I looked up the history. They have played 24 times with Notre Dame holding a 13-8-3 advantage:

  • Iowa won the first three, a one-off in Iowa City in 1921 and a H&H in 1939/40
  • They played annually for 20 years from 1945-1964 with the exception of 1963 (canceled due to JFK assassination, see above from Hawkinole). These games were in October initially then moved to November and rivalry week starting in 1949. Notre Dame held a 11-5-3 advantage in these games.
  • They played a H&H in 1967/68 with Notre Dame winning both games.


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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #88 on: July 05, 2022, 09:57:04 AM »
another thing ND enjoys about independence...

They can cut off an often played opponent at anytime for any reason

this also happened with Nebraska back in 1925 after 11 straight seasons

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #89 on: July 05, 2022, 10:06:59 AM »
Georgia Tech wouldn't play either Mississippi schools for decades while in the SEC.  Of course, "rules" back then weren't.

The odd history between Tech, Mississippi State, Ole Miss (ajc.com)

During his legendary 22-year tenure as Georgia Tech coach, Bobby Dodd took his team across the Southeast, to Dallas to play SMU, to South Bend, Ind., for Notre Dame and across the country to play USC.

But, though Tech was an SEC member for most of Dodd’s career, he never deigned to play Mississippi State, the Yellow Jackets’ opponent in the Dec. 31 Orange Bowl. Tech played Ole Miss but twice, once in a bowl game and once in a regular-season game scheduled by Dodd’s predecessor, William Alexander.

“Whatever is there to go to Mississippi for?” Dodd was quoted as saying. “We like to take our fans to exciting places and Mississippi isn’t one.”


Tech was not the only SEC team to take a pass on one or both of the Mississippi schools, though none to the same degree. Georgia has only played Mississippi State 23 times and didn’t play at all between 1915 and 1949. Vanderbilt and Mississippi State didn’t play each other between 1943 and 1969. Florida and Ole Miss have played each other 23 times, facing each other just eight times between 1936 and 1971.


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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #90 on: July 05, 2022, 10:14:46 AM »
Only tangentially related to the topic of this thread but, Iowa's Last regular season game (not including games at Hawaii and the goofy COVID year) for 100 years:

  • Nebraska, 2011-present 
  • Minnesota, 2005-2010
  • Wisconsin, 2003-2004
  • Minnesota, 2002
  • Iowa State, 2001
  • Minnesota, 1983-2000
  • Michigan State, 1973-1982
  • Illinois, 1967-1972
  • Miami, FL, 1966
  • NCST, 1965
  • Notre Dame, 1951-1964 (not played in 1963)
  • Miami, FL, 1950
  • Notre Dame, 1949
  • Boston University, 1948
  • Minnesota, 1946-1947
  • Nebraska, 1945
  • Iowa Pre-Flight, 1944
  • Nebraska, 1943
  • Michigan, 1942
  • Nebraska, 1941
  • Illinois, 1940
  • Northwestern, 1939
  • Nebraska, 1937-1938
  • Temple, 1936
  • Northwestern, 1935
  • Ohio State, 1934 (This was the last year before THE GAME was moved to the end of the season)
  • Nebraska, 1933
  • Northwestern, 1931-1932
  • Nebraska, 1930
  • Michigan, 1928-1929
  • Northwestern, 1926-1927
  • Southern California, 1925
  • Michigan, 1924
  • Northwestern, 1921-1923


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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #91 on: July 05, 2022, 11:18:38 AM »
Just put everyone in a few conferences. Then break them up into divisions that look suspiciously like 1991 conferences.

Who says no?

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #92 on: July 05, 2022, 11:26:14 AM »
Yeah, that seems to be where it's headed, more or less, we end up back in 1991.

I have thought 12 was a good number for a conference, 6 on a side.  Are any programs in danger of being tossed?  I don't think so.


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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #93 on: July 05, 2022, 11:35:57 AM »
Just put everyone in a few conferences. Then break them up into divisions that look suspiciously like 1991 conferences.

Who says no?
That's exactly what I suggested

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #94 on: July 05, 2022, 09:04:00 PM »
Only tangentially related to the topic of this thread but, Iowa's Last regular season game (not including games at Hawaii and the goofy COVID year) for 100 years:

  • Nebraska, 2011-present
  • Minnesota, 2005-2010
  • Wisconsin, 2003-2004
  • Minnesota, 2002
  • Iowa State, 2001
  • Minnesota, 1983-2000
  • Michigan State, 1973-1982
  • Illinois, 1967-1972
  • Miami, FL, 1966
  • NCST, 1965
  • Notre Dame, 1951-1964 (not played in 1963)
  • Miami, FL, 1950
  • Notre Dame, 1949
  • Boston University, 1948
  • Minnesota, 1946-1947
  • Nebraska, 1945
  • Iowa Pre-Flight, 1944
  • Nebraska, 1943
  • Michigan, 1942
  • Nebraska, 1941
  • Illinois, 1940
  • Northwestern, 1939
  • Nebraska, 1937-1938
  • Temple, 1936
  • Northwestern, 1935
  • Ohio State, 1934 (This was the last year before THE GAME was moved to the end of the season)
  • Nebraska, 1933
  • Northwestern, 1931-1932
  • Nebraska, 1930
  • Michigan, 1928-1929
  • Northwestern, 1926-1927
  • Southern California, 1925
  • Michigan, 1924
  • Northwestern, 1921-1923


In 2001 the Iowa State game was moved to the end of the season because of 9-11. So that one should maybe get the Covid treatment. 

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #95 on: July 05, 2022, 09:55:09 PM »
In 2001 the Iowa State game was moved to the end of the season because of 9-11. So that one should maybe get the Covid treatment.
I forgot that was why but you are right. Their last scheduled game in 2001 was Minnesota same as all other seasons from 1983-2002.

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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #96 on: July 05, 2022, 10:02:40 PM »
does anyone think that Iowa will be a regular opponent for ND, if ND joins the Big?

it would seem to me that with USC and UCLA joining the West with Iowa, if ND were to join, they would end up in the East.
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Re: VOTE: What will ND end up doing?
« Reply #97 on: July 05, 2022, 10:30:31 PM »
does anyone think that Iowa will be a regular opponent for ND, if ND joins the Big?

it would seem to me that with USC and UCLA joining the West with Iowa, if ND were to join, they would end up in the East.
Doubtful. 

That said, with a 20 team conference I think you HAVE to have pods. If you went with divisions of 10 then even with nine league games you'd still never play any of the teams from the other division. 

I think you'd need four five-team pods that rotated to form divisions. 

 

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