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Topic: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2025, 06:05:55 PM »
But the question at hand, the one medina is working to tease out, is-- if Texas doesn't get into the CFP this year with everything playing out exactly as it has, then what reason is there to schedule tough OOC games at all?
none
same as it's always been

the expanded playoff has just moved the margin from 1 loss to 2 losses to maybe 3 losses

smart coaches have said, "Never schedule a loss"
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2025, 06:09:04 PM »
Texas needs a Vandy win, but that also means another 10-2 team out there.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2025, 06:16:45 PM »

But the question at hand, the one medina is working to tease out, is-- if Texas doesn't get into the CFP this year with everything playing out exactly as it has, then what reason is there to schedule tough OOC games at all?

The answer is because if you win, you get the tiebreaker. No one knows what the results of the season would be before the season happens. In an alternate universe the committee is deciding between 10-2 OSU and 10-2 Oregon. OSU would be in because they beat Texas and Oregon beat Oklahoma State. 

Scheduling tough games definitely has some risk and reward. If we take out the risk then it ultimately doesn't matter who wins, so that's not fun either. But this has been an issue since the beginning of time - it's not new to this year.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2025, 06:31:44 PM »
Yeah, for Texas, I agree in general with what y'all are saying on the merits of the season overall, as it stands.  There are plenty of deserving teams, that currently are,, and will be, ranked ahead of Texas.

But the question at hand, the one medina is working to tease out, is-- if Texas doesn't get into the CFP this year with everything playing out exactly as it has, then what reason is there to schedule tough OOC games at all?

I keep bringing up Ole Miss scheduling a home game against Georgia State in their opener, while Texas scheduled an away game @Ohio State.

As poorly as Texas played early in the season, there's no doubt that Texas would have beaten Georgia State.  And there's also no question that a 10-2 Texas with the rest of the results exactly as they are, is getting into the CFP.

So if the committee just looks at the W/L column and eliminates Texas at 3 losses, then they're confirming that there's no benefit to scheduling tough.  It's especially true given how closely Texas played Ohio State on the road in Columbus.  That 7 point differential is by far the closest game anyone has played against Ohio State all season long.
Like I said, it's tough. Which is why I think medina's question is a little reductionist. You can't break it down exactly like that...

Texas has played 4 teams currently in the top 10 of the rankings, and 5 in the top 25. They're 2-2 against the top 10 and 3-2 against the top 25 (top 15, currently, to be more accurate). In that sense, they've proven they can play with the big boys. They do have one "bad loss" vs Florida as well, which hurts. 

Michigan, OTOH, has played 2 teams currently ranked in the top 10 and 3 in the top 25, and they're 0-2 and 0-3 respectively. They haven't proven that they can play with the big boys. As mentioned, their best win will have come against a team that won't finish ranked. 

IMHO looking at the specific teams, I think I'm coming to the point where I agree with you that Texas should be in the CFP. I'm pretty sure I could look at a number of other teams on the fringe of "in the conversation" that can't claim to have anywhere near the resume of quality wins that Texas has.

I'd love to see the committee to make a show of keeping Texas in, to show that scheduling tough OOC isn't a penalty. But frankly they can do that WHILE also keeping Michigan out, who scheduled tough OOC, but didn't have the actual resume wins to justify getting included.


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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2025, 06:40:49 PM »
If your team is that good, you can afford the one loss.  Just not two more.  

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2025, 06:41:33 PM »
BTW why are we not including USC in this discussion? 

8-3 right now with road OOC loss to [current top 10] Notre Dame, road conference losses to Illinois and [current top 10] Oregon. Win over currently ranked Michigan.

Seems like they have an equal if not better resume than Michigan...

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2025, 06:44:29 PM »
Like I said, it's tough. Which is why I think medina's question is a little reductionist. You can't break it down exactly like that...

Texas has played 4 teams currently in the top 10 of the rankings, and 5 in the top 25. They're 2-2 against the top 10 and 3-2 against the top 25 (top 15, currently, to be more accurate). In that sense, they've proven they can play with the big boys. They do have one "bad loss" vs Florida as well, which hurts.

Michigan, OTOH, has played 2 teams currently ranked in the top 10 and 3 in the top 25, and they're 0-2 and 0-3 respectively. They haven't proven that they can play with the big boys. As mentioned, their best win will have come against a team that won't finish ranked.

IMHO looking at the specific teams, I think I'm coming to the point where I agree with you that Texas should be in the CFP. I'm pretty sure I could look at a number of other teams on the fringe of "in the conversation" that can't claim to have anywhere near the resume of quality wins that Texas has.

I'd love to see the committee to make a show of keeping Texas in, to show that scheduling tough OOC isn't a penalty. But frankly they can do that WHILE also keeping Michigan out, who scheduled tough OOC, but didn't have the actual resume wins to justify getting included.



Oh I'm not even arguing Texas should be included.  Obviously I'd like to see Texas continue post-season play that matters, but if it doesn't happen I'm not gonna cry about it.  Texas had its chances.

I'm speaking more to the academic question at hand, that medina has raised.

And unfortunately I think the answer is obvious-- there's no reason at all to schedule tough OOC competition.  If the committee is just going to rank within the W/L columns, then there's zero benefit to it.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2025, 06:45:37 PM »
If your team is that good, you can afford the one loss.  Just not two more. 
But it removes your margin for error.  And that's the point.

You can't help your conference schedule, but you can absolutely determine your OOC schedule.

Like Fearless said-- Never schedule a loss.  Or even a potential loss.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2025, 06:46:39 PM »
BTW why are we not including USC in this discussion?

8-3 right now with road OOC loss to [current top 10] Notre Dame, road conference losses to Illinois and [current top 10] Oregon. Win over currently ranked Michigan.

Seems like they have an equal if not better resume than Michigan...

why are we including Michigan?
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2025, 06:52:37 PM »
Horns should be in over a 2-loss Sooner squad
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2025, 07:13:15 PM »
BTW why are we not including USC in this discussion?

8-3 right now with road OOC loss to [current top 10] Notre Dame, road conference losses to Illinois and [current top 10] Oregon. Win over currently ranked Michigan.

Seems like they have an equal if not better resume than Michigan...
Fair point. I just thought of TX and M first

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2025, 07:16:02 PM »
Fair point. I just thought of TX and M first
Yeah I haven't really looked at it, didn't know what USC's record looked like.  I've been assuming ever since the Texas loss to Georgia that the Horns were out.

I'm just discussing the academics of it.

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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2025, 07:16:33 PM »
I haven't checked but, I'm guessing Texas has the best 3-loss resume

and you get the best resume by playing that tough non-con game
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Re: What should the committee do with Michigan and Texas
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2025, 07:23:08 PM »
I haven't checked but, I'm guessing Texas has the best 3-loss resume

and you get the best resume by playing that tough non-con game
But Texas didn't win the tough non-con game.  So it's not helping the resume'.  It's torpedoing the resume'.

And by lumping Texas in against the other 3-loss teams you're doing the same thing the committee and the voters always do, kindergarten level analysis.

Does any other team in college football have wins against what will be 3 Top 12 teams at the end of this weekend?  

 

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