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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9730 on: April 12, 2024, 08:35:44 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 12, 2024, 08:33:29 AM
It's an interesting point, I think, about how anything "technical" or complex is rarely reported accurately or evenhandedly.  It gets "dumbed down" to a point that loses meaning, or a conclusion is set in stone before anything is disseminated.

And many humans base their "opinions" about such things based on their political views.  You won't find many liberals who think climate change is a hoax, or even that it may be real but is not that much of a problem, and you won't find many conservatives who thinks it's real and serious and needs urgent attention.

I could devise a questionaire I think that would pretty accurately assess your political views without asking a single political question.

Is you COVID vaccine up to date?

Do you view climate change as an urgent problem?

Etc.
1. What vaccine?


2. Yes.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9731 on: April 12, 2024, 09:10:50 AM »
There is no human right to a safe or stable climate | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)

Even if Net Zero objectives were achieved globally by 2050, the climate would continue to change from natural weather and climate variability: volcanic eruptions, solar effects, large-scale oscillations of ocean circulations, and other geologic processes.  Further, given the inertia in the climate system (particularly oceans and ice sheets), it would be many decades before there was any noticeable change in extreme weather/climate events and sea level rise after Net Zero was achieved.

Exaggeration of the risks from human-caused climate change lead to serious contradictions in context of the idea “that human rights offer protection against the impacts of dangerous climate change.”

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9732 on: April 12, 2024, 09:14:39 AM »
It's an urgent problem, but it's not fixable at the present.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9733 on: April 12, 2024, 09:22:24 AM »
I distinguish between the problem of general pollution and that of climate change (which can't be seen visually in the main).

I was surprised how hazy both Tokyo and Seoul were.
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« Reply #9734 on: April 12, 2024, 09:25:41 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 12, 2024, 09:22:24 AM
I distinguish between the problem of general pollution and that of climate change (which can't be seen visually in the main).

I was surprised how hazy both Tokyo and Seoul were.
Like LA?


China is very bad from a pollution standpoint. One of my great friends spent a month at a time over there over a 4 year period he was charged with building a sterile pharma factory. Disgusting was an oft used word to describe the place.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9735 on: April 12, 2024, 09:41:24 AM »
I haven't stay in LA for quite a while.  

This was the view from our hotel room in Seoul on an otherwise clear day.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9736 on: April 12, 2024, 09:43:01 AM »
This is on the island of Jeju in RoK, I didn't notice as much haze there, but it's to the south.  We both remarked on how muc clearer and bluer the sky is around here.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9737 on: April 12, 2024, 09:52:24 AM »
Our first full day in Tokyo was very clear and cold/chilly, they had snow a few days before this.  The haze doesn't look too bad in this shot.


It looks a bit worse below.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9738 on: April 12, 2024, 09:57:49 AM »
I snapped this in late February of some construction near us just for comparison of a blue sky.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9739 on: April 12, 2024, 10:00:57 AM »
From sunny and warm Hawaii in Deccember ...





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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9740 on: April 12, 2024, 10:17:25 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9741 on: April 12, 2024, 10:19:58 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 12, 2024, 09:25:41 AM
Like LA?
I don't think LA is anything like what it used to be. CA is pretty strict now about smog testing of vehicles. Prevailing winds off the coast push much of it away from the city. 

The biggest issues come when you get northeast of LA into some of the suburbs that back up to the San Gabriel Mountains. 

Where I live (South OC) it's absolutely gorgeous. I'm close enough to the coast and there are few enough people/cars between here and there that the winds off the ocean push everything inland from here. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9742 on: April 12, 2024, 10:23:58 AM »
I used to travel to LA on business, circa 1990.  We stayed in the Mondrian Hotel on the side of a large hill north of LA.  I'd get up early and eat breakfast on the balcony and would watch the clear skies below us turn orange brown with haze.  It didn't take long.

I agree it is a lot better now, I just haven't spent time in LA of late.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9743 on: April 12, 2024, 10:30:53 AM »
Mondrian is pretty cool. Very unique.
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