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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9534 on: March 07, 2024, 11:24:53 AM »
Me as well, and of course the midline forecast calls for a rise of perhaps 1-1.5°C by 2100.  
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« Reply #9535 on: March 07, 2024, 11:30:16 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 07, 2024, 10:50:14 AM
Opinion: I’m a climate scientist. If you knew what I know, you’d be terrified too | CNN

Not much here beyond the scare part, in my view.  Some realism would help, I think, instead of constant scare opinion pieces.

And maybe the outline of some PLAN.

jackasses like the fellow that wrote this article have no plan, and even if he did it wouldn't be economically feasible nor possible to implement. can't shut down the single biggest carbon emitter in the world- the US military. can't stop china or india from emitting carbon like it's going out of style. definitely can't stop rich fcks from chilling on their superyachts which are essentially just mini-cruise ships in the south of france or flying private jets everywhere they go- like Taylor Swift who flew a private jet to go somewhere 20 miles away- and emitting carbon at rates per capita that are fcking astounding. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9536 on: March 07, 2024, 11:32:31 AM »
The U.S. Military Emits More Carbon Dioxide Into the Atmosphere Than Entire Countries Like Denmark or Portugal - Inside Climate News

The U.S. military's oil use and emissions are falling. The U.S. Defence Logistics Agency, which oversees oil buying, said 84 million barrels were purchased in 2022, down almost 15 million from 2018. Emissions in 2022, meanwhile, fell to 48 million tonnes from 51 million tonnes the previous year.

They are not the single largest carbon emitter in the world, that would be China.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9537 on: March 07, 2024, 11:35:24 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 07, 2024, 11:32:31 AM
The U.S. Military Emits More Carbon Dioxide Into the Atmosphere Than Entire Countries Like Denmark or Portugal - Inside Climate News

The U.S. military's oil use and emissions are falling. The U.S. Defence Logistics Agency, which oversees oil buying, said 84 million barrels were purchased in 2022, down almost 15 million from 2018. Emissions in 2022, meanwhile, fell to 48 million tonnes from 51 million tonnes the previous year.

They are not the single largest carbon emitter in the world, that would be China.
And our military is weaker. Yay team.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9538 on: March 07, 2024, 11:38:32 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 07, 2024, 10:50:14 AM
Opinion: I’m a climate scientist. If you knew what I know, you’d be terrified too | CNN

Not much here beyond the scare part, in my view.  Some realism would help, I think, instead of constant scare opinion pieces.

And maybe the outline of some PLAN.
The problem is that climate change is either going to be a slow and manageable process that we can all sort of work through over the span of generations, or it will be a "tipping point" sort of scenario where things get REALLY bad, REALLY quickly, and we're all well and truly fked. And we don't really know which is which. 

I hope it's the former, because we're not doing squat about it. I fear it's the latter, because we're not doing squat about it.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9539 on: March 07, 2024, 11:58:39 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 07, 2024, 11:32:31 AM
The U.S. Military Emits More Carbon Dioxide Into the Atmosphere Than Entire Countries Like Denmark or Portugal - Inside Climate News

The U.S. military's oil use and emissions are falling. The U.S. Defence Logistics Agency, which oversees oil buying, said 84 million barrels were purchased in 2022, down almost 15 million from 2018. Emissions in 2022, meanwhile, fell to 48 million tonnes from 51 million tonnes the previous year.

They are not the single largest carbon emitter in the world, that would be China.
oh yes, it is. the single largest single emitter of carbon in the entire world is the US military. China as an entire country is the largest emitter as a country, but that's not it's government or one agency within it's government or one single entity. That is the entire fcking country of 1.4 billion people. You know, like 1.1 billion MORE people than we have here. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9540 on: March 07, 2024, 11:59:15 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 07, 2024, 11:35:24 AM
And our military is weaker. Yay team.
Lol. Our military is most definitely not weaker than China's military.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9541 on: March 07, 2024, 12:06:08 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 07, 2024, 11:38:32 AM
The problem is that climate change is either going to be a slow and manageable process that we can all sort of work through over the span of generations, or it will be a "tipping point" sort of scenario where things get REALLY bad, REALLY quickly, and we're all well and truly fked. And we don't really know which is which.

I hope it's the former, because we're not doing squat about it. I fear it's the latter, because we're not doing squat about it.
oh sure we are. we're blowing sh*t up all over the world, even blowing up pipelines in Europe which released more green house gases in one single act than any single man-made caused pollution event in history. one might call it the greatest act of eco-terrorism in history. 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LasrD6SZkZk
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9542 on: March 07, 2024, 12:23:52 PM »
I get a kick out of people getting their panties in a wad over "climate change". I have news for those people. The Earth's climate has been in a constant state of change since the Earth had a climate. 

I always ask this question but I have yet to get a coherent answer. What should the mean temperature of the Earth be? And when has it ever been that temperature for more than a few years?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9543 on: March 07, 2024, 12:23:55 PM »
If we hit some tipping point where to goes exponential, "we" are in trouble.  If not, if it remains pretty gradual, most things can adjust, not everything, and somethings will adjust partially and have some issues.  The high end wine business is one item that can't really adjust in most cases, but there would still be plenty of decent wine from other areas.

They grow wine grapes in British Columbia in a pretty large way today.

As noted often, "we" are not doing anything like what would be needed to nip this in the bud.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9544 on: March 07, 2024, 12:24:48 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 07, 2024, 12:23:52 PM
I get a kick out of people getting their panties in a wad over "climate change". I have news for those people. The Earth's climate has been in a constant state of change since the Earth had a climate.

I always ask this question but I have yet to get a coherent answer. What should the mean temperature of the Earth be? And when has it ever been that temperature for more than a few years?
The concern is that the temperature apparently is changing more rapidly than it has in known history.  The mean temperature probably should be 15°C in some ideal case.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9545 on: March 07, 2024, 12:33:02 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 07, 2024, 12:23:52 PM
I get a kick out of people getting their panties in a wad over "climate change". I have news for those people. The Earth's climate has been in a constant state of change since the Earth had a climate.

I always ask this question but I have yet to get a coherent answer. What should the mean temperature of the Earth be? And when has it ever been that temperature for more than a few years?
Typically the changes are over millions of years. Fast changes in climate were typically associated with widespread extinction events.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9546 on: March 07, 2024, 12:38:02 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on March 07, 2024, 12:23:52 PM
I get a kick out of people getting their panties in a wad over "climate change". I have news for those people. The Earth's climate has been in a constant state of change since the Earth had a climate.

I always ask this question but I have yet to get a coherent answer. What should the mean temperature of the Earth be? And when has it ever been that temperature for more than a few years?
We're humans. The mean temperature of the Earth should be whatever allows human society to sustain itself and [hopefully] flourish. A "wrong" temperature would be one that damages our ecosystem enough that it becomes a significant problem for the planet to support 7-10B people. 

The concern that *I* personally have is that we destabilize climate to the extent that we cause enough damage to our ecosystem that the food chain as we understand it is disrupted enough to make it impossible to grow enough food to support the world's population.

That's the worst case scenario. Not the concerns of people in Minnesota that their ice fishing industry will be disrupted, or Bordeaux France that it's no longer optimal for growing grapes for wine. Not gradual warming. Not a gradual increase in sea level. It's that we have a planet with 8B people and we can only grow enough food for 3B of them. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #9547 on: March 07, 2024, 02:52:18 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 07, 2024, 11:59:15 AM
Lol. Our military is most definitely not weaker than China's military.
That's not what I meant. I mean it's weaker now than it was in 2018.
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