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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8680 on: August 15, 2023, 11:42:43 AM »
No human could really have any sense that our climate is changing.  And that's part of the problem.  Let's presume the models/records are about right and we have warmed 1.1°C and would warm some more.  Stipulate that.  None of us would detect that with any confidence without rather precise measurements and records.  We might think it's somewhat warmer than I recall as a kid, maybe, or that the local glacier has receded.  I'm guess something like 3°C warming in 50 years would be noticeable to most of us, if we lived in the same area over that time.

Does anyone here think their local climate has warmed in their life time?  I lived here in the 60s and I THINK maybe we had more snow back then, maybe.  I've been here five years and we've had one "real" snow and a few where the ground was barely covered.  And maybe my memory is faulty.  We used to have bad ice storms fairly often.

Is summer hotter here?  I don't think so, it's quite humid today though, 65% RH and 87°F, which is worse than "typical" (humidity).

I know the Swiss et al. point to glacial recessions as evidence, and maybe that would be a sign to those living there, it can also reflect a drought.  Otherwise, we have to rely on various measurements of this and that.
I know that were I live now, we get less snow than we did 30 years ago. These past few winters, we have barely had enough to warrant snow plows more than a handful of days per season. I also know people that use this a proof that the climate is changing and that if we don't give up fossil fuels, meat, etc, we are all going to die in the next X number of years. 

That was my point.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8681 on: August 15, 2023, 11:52:50 AM »
Yeah, I wonder if anyone would notice if we had no idea about climate change.  Once a person reads whatever about CC, they are biased in their personal reflections.

And the extreme alarmists are harming their case a lot in my view.

And then there is the very obvious fact that "we" are not going to do much of anything real to fight CC.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8682 on: August 15, 2023, 01:25:02 PM »
This highlights the issue for me with the constant climate alarmists who claim every bad weather event is due to CC.  Then you have their predictions failing to come to pass over time, routinely, and it makes others think the whole notion is simply wrong.
Yeah, agreed. Weather is difficult to predict, and climate change's effect on weather equally so.

What also gets me is when they use dollar value damage as a measuring stick for the effect of extreme weather events. For example, we have drought and wildfires here regularly in CA. But we also are strapped for land to expand in the LA basin, and that means we're pushing houses closer and closer to the areas where the wildfires burn, and building nice expensive houses there too (on top of the housing price expansion). So OF COURSE extreme weather events are going to cause more monetary damage. That's just basic logic!
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8683 on: August 15, 2023, 01:31:02 PM »
I know that were I live now, we get less snow than we did 30 years ago. These past few winters, we have barely had enough to warrant snow plows more than a handful of days per season. I also know people that use this a proof that the climate is changing and that if we don't give up fossil fuels, meat, etc, we are all going to die in the next X number of years.

That was my point. 
And a lot people don't understand that the effects of climate change are highly dependent on where you live. 

Stipulate for a second that global warming is causing droughts here in the Southwest where I live. And that those droughts are taking places which are already hot (Phoenix/Vegas) or already temperate with hot summers (SoCal) and making them hotter. And also making them more dangerous to live due to wildfires, and more difficult to feed with adequate water supplies due to drought causing less availability of Colorado River water. All of those things are bad, IMHO, for people living in the Southwest. 

Now, look at a place like the Midwest. A place which, quite frankly, sucks balls for many months of the year. You have frigid winter, stormy spring, muggy hot summer, and quite wonderful fall. Now you change it and make winter just a little more temperate, probably with very little change to any of the other seasons. I think a lot of Midwesterners welcome that. 

Climate change is likely to be bad for some people. It's also likely to be good for others. As long as there isn't a catastrophic tipping point or positive feedback loop that drastically alters the ecosystem, the individual effects, good or bad, are going to be local in nature. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8684 on: August 16, 2023, 08:20:10 AM »
I like it 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8685 on: August 16, 2023, 09:01:59 AM »
We could be 16 years into a methane-fueled 'termination' event significant enough to end an ice age (msn.com)
We could be 16 years into a methane-fueled 'termination' event significant enough to end an ice age (msn.com)


Get rid of the wetlands?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8686 on: August 16, 2023, 09:19:45 AM »
That is a bit scary, to me.  I had read that melting of permafrost could release a lot of methane suddenly and that would be bad.


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« Reply #8687 on: August 16, 2023, 09:35:31 AM »
VERY bad.

And there is nothing we can do about it.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8688 on: August 16, 2023, 09:40:04 AM »
Looking at this I would say there was a decrease in the rate of increase 1992-2007 that is unexplained.  Before that, the rate of increase was the same as or steeper than today's.  


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8689 on: August 16, 2023, 09:41:20 AM »
Methane and climate change – Global Methane Tracker 2022 – Analysis - IEA

Methane is responsible for around 30% of the rise in global temperatures since the industrial revolution, and rapid and sustained reductions in methane emissions are key to limit near-term warming and improve air quality.

Two key characteristics determine the impact of different greenhouse gases on the climate: the length of time they remain in the atmosphere and their ability to absorb energy. Methane has a much shorter atmospheric lifetime than carbon dioxide (CO2) – around 12 years compared with centuries – but absorbs much more energy while it exists in the atmosphere.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8690 on: August 16, 2023, 10:28:42 AM »
Breaking Weather News | FOX Weather Home of America's Weather Team
Breaking Weather News | FOX Weather Home of America's Weather Team

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« Reply #8691 on: August 16, 2023, 11:08:08 AM »
Breaking Weather News | FOX Weather Home of America's Weather Team
Breaking Weather News | FOX Weather Home of America's Weather Team

Here we go.
Definitely wouldn't mind seeing that one in the Gulf drift up into Texas as a tropical storm and dump about 20" of rain all over the state.  As long as no damaging winds of course.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8692 on: August 16, 2023, 11:10:07 AM »
Definitely wouldn't mind seeing that one in the Gulf drift up into Texas as a tropical storm and dump about 20" of rain all over the state.  As long as no damaging winds of course.
I'm more concerned with storm surge, to be honest.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8693 on: August 16, 2023, 11:25:17 AM »
I'm more concerned with storm surge, to be honest.
Texas coast is pretty well protected against that in most spots.  A very long string of barrier islands cover most of the state coastline.

 

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