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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8666 on: August 14, 2023, 01:16:41 PM »
For that last 80 years, there have been CC alarmists proclaiming that if we don't to X now, the world will end in 10 years. And the problem I have is that the only solution they propose, is giving government more control over our lives. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

And that's fair. That's a statement about alarmism, far less than it is about science. 

BTW, that's a VERY different statement than this:

As a conservative, I have always believed that are climate is changing, just as it has done since the Earth had a climate. I do believe that pollution is a contributing factor, but not to the degree that the CC alarmists believe it to be. And no matter what we as humans do, the Earth the climate will do what it will do and continue the cycle it has been on since the Earth existed.

Essentially the bolded statement, especially when bracketed by the statements before an after, suggest that you don't believe that man-made actions have significant effects on climate. That the various warming and cooling and other things being observed are mostly due to natural variance with only a small amount attributable to man. 

Do I have that right? 

BTW I'm not trying to argue* with the statement, just trying to determine if that's the statement. 

(* I have WAY too many pages already having argued that with 320. Don't want to rehash it.)

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8667 on: August 14, 2023, 01:57:04 PM »


(* I have WAY too many pages already having argued that with 320. Don't want to rehash it.)
120 ppm right back at ya
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8668 on: August 14, 2023, 02:10:38 PM »
120 ppm right back at ya
120 ppm of arsine gas kills you right quick.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8669 on: August 14, 2023, 02:27:05 PM »
120 ppm of arsine gas kills you right quick.
well that proves it case settled
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« Reply #8672 on: August 15, 2023, 07:55:44 AM »
me too

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8673 on: August 15, 2023, 07:57:36 AM »
France has once again become the leader of electricity exports in Europe after having to import significant amounts of energy in 2022.

The surge had come as a result of the reopening of several nuclear power reactors, said journalist Olivier Poncelet, who reported the figures from analysts EnAppSys.

“At the beginning of the year, EDF [Electricité de France] restarted several reactors that had been shut down for maintenance. Because these plants were shut down in 2022, France had to import energy,” he said.

“This year, however, 73% of the nuclear fleet was operating by February.”

It meant that for the first half of 2023 France exported 17.6 terawatt hours (TWh). The main clients for French energy are the UK and Italy. Between them, they bought enough power for 450,000 homes between January and June.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/France-returns-to-being-top-electricity-exporter-in-Europe
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« Reply #8674 on: August 15, 2023, 08:06:43 AM »
We should be doing that too.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8675 on: August 15, 2023, 09:27:11 AM »
It's Been Weeks Since The Atlantic Had A Named Storm, But 88% Of The Season Still Remains (msn.com)
It's Been Weeks Since The Atlantic Had A Named Storm, But 88% Of The Season Still Remains (msn.com)
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8676 on: August 15, 2023, 11:22:13 AM »
This highlights the issue for me with the constant climate alarmists who claim every bad weather event is due to CC.  Then you have their predictions failing to come to pass over time, routinely, and it makes others think the whole notion is simply wrong.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8677 on: August 15, 2023, 11:23:44 AM »
It's August 15 and it's hot in Florida?

No shit.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8678 on: August 15, 2023, 11:23:55 AM »
And that's fair. That's a statement about alarmism, far less than it is about science.

BTW, that's a VERY different statement than this:

Essentially the bolded statement, especially when bracketed by the statements before an after, suggest that you don't believe that man-made actions have significant effects on climate. That the various warming and cooling and other things being observed are mostly due to natural variance with only a small amount attributable to man.

Do I have that right?

BTW I'm not trying to argue* with the statement, just trying to determine if that's the statement.

(* I have WAY too many pages already having argued that with 320. Don't want to rehash it.)
Yes, that is what I meant. 

From what I have seen, read, experienced, the climate goes through cyclical changes. Being as we humans only experience the climate for about 70-80 years, on average, we tend to believe that anytime the weather is different than what we believe to be normal, some people believe that it is evidence that the climate is changing in profound ways. 

That would be fine and dandy except that people in positions of power and influence (government, media) have used these fears to prop themselves up with even more power and influence by appealing to the fears of those that fail to understand what actually drives the climate, namely that large orange orb that we see during daylight hours. They would have people believe that if we don't panic and begin spending tax dollars to do X or Y or stop people from doing X or Y, we will all die in X number of years. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8679 on: August 15, 2023, 11:31:38 AM »
No human could really have any sense that our climate is changing.  And that's part of the problem.  Let's presume the models/records are about right and we have warmed 1.1°C and would warm some more.  Stipulate that.  None of us would detect that with any confidence without rather precise measurements and records.  We might think it's somewhat warmer than I recall as a kid, maybe, or that the local glacier has receded.  I'm guess something like 3°C warming in 50 years would be noticeable to most of us, if we lived in the same area over that time.

Does anyone here think their local climate has warmed in their life time?  I lived here in the 60s and I THINK maybe we had more snow back then, maybe.  I've been here five years and we've had one "real" snow and a few where the ground was barely covered.  And maybe my memory is faulty.  We used to have bad ice storms fairly often.

Is summer hotter here?  I don't think so, it's quite humid today though, 65% RH and 87°F, which is worse than "typical" (humidity).

I know the Swiss et al. point to glacial recessions as evidence, and maybe that would be a sign to those living there, it can also reflect a drought.  Otherwise, we have to rely on various measurements of this and that.

 

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