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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8652 on: August 11, 2023, 11:47:56 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on August 11, 2023, 11:22:28 AM
Does taking carbon dioxide out of the air and pumping it underground make sense?  It seems to me more CO2 would just enter the air from the oceans,

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4148157-biden-administration-announces-funds-for-projects-to-pull-carbon-from-the-air/
Yes, it makes sense. As long as it can be stored somewhere where there is little chance of escape, it makes sense. 

At least it makes sense theoretically; it might be incredibly uneconomical. 

The way to think about CO2 is that there is a carbon cycle, and that you have natural sources and natural sinks of carbon. The ocean being one of those sinks. Right now there is too much of it and it's overwhelming the ability of natural sinks to absorb it, which is why atmospheric carbon is going up. Maybe you'll have a situation where if you take enough CO2 out of the air to match 20 ppm, the ocean gives some up and the net effect is only a 10 ppm reduction. I don't know and I'm just throwing out made-up numbers here. But if you take enough out to equal 20 ppm, the ocean will not just cough up 20 ppm worth of CO2 to keep the actual atmospheric level the same. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8653 on: August 12, 2023, 03:19:14 PM »
If it rains anymore in Northern Ohio I'm looking up Blue Prints for an ARK. Cats & dogs yesterday,packs of wolves and prides of Lions today,jeebis

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8654 on: August 13, 2023, 07:31:48 AM »
We took a quick trip up into the mountains, planned to tour Gibb's Gardens and then Amicalola Falls SP, and did, but around 10 PM it was raining like Flint.  I thought it was a washout, but by noon the sky was clearing and we have a great time.  We had lunch at the State Park's lodge which has decent food and a great view.

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« Reply #8655 on: August 13, 2023, 07:33:55 AM »
We stayed one night in Blue Ridge which had been a half a horse town about to disappear and now had a neat collection of shops and restaurants etc.  We had lunch at a French bistro, owned by a French lady who quickly made friends with my wife.  Good food.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8656 on: August 14, 2023, 09:51:32 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8657 on: August 14, 2023, 11:01:46 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 14, 2023, 09:51:32 AM
Climate Scientist Blows The Lid Off The ‘Manufactured Consensus’ (msn.com)
Ive read quite a bit by Judith Curry

She is not held in very high reguard by the green folks
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8658 on: August 14, 2023, 11:14:28 AM »
She is disliked because she has credentials, her basic story is pretty much the same as mine, in part because I also read her stuff.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8659 on: August 14, 2023, 11:15:20 AM »
Science is not done by consensus and climate change was always about the redistribution of wealth.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8660 on: August 14, 2023, 11:23:18 AM »
When CC got political, all hope was lost basically.  Now in general, all liberals "believe" in it and most conservatives thing it's a fake issue and plot.

And hardly anyone is being honest about reality.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8661 on: August 14, 2023, 11:58:26 AM »
As a conservative, I have always believed that are climate is changing, just as it has done since the Earth had a climate. I do believe that pollution is a contributing factor, but not to the degree that the CC alarmists believe it to be. And no matter what we as humans do, the Earth the climate will do what it will do and continue the cycle it has been on since the Earth existed. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8662 on: August 14, 2023, 12:00:40 PM »
What is the "degree" which you think CC alarmists believe it to be?

I find folks on both sides misrepresent what the "scientists" are actually predicting about CC, things like how Manhattan will be underwater and Orlando will be a port city, etc.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8663 on: August 14, 2023, 12:40:36 PM »
I tend to find the arguments that the planet is warming, that it's caused by greenhouse gases, and that man is responsible because of our addition of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere to be pretty solid. 

Whether that portends a climate "crisis" is a completely different matter. 

And it's one that climate scientists have difficulty answering. At best they can try to describe the effects of that warming on various areas of ecosystem. But whether something is a "crisis" depends on the potential economic and geopolitical effects of those effects. Which climate scientists aren't really equipped to answer. 

I worry that the argument is somewhat tilted due to two aspects:


  • The "precautionary principle" idea that if we're causing the warming, we should stop, because the effects MIGHT be bad. 
  • The emotional appeal amongst the "green" folks that anything natural is therefore good and anything artificial/man-made is therefore bad. So we should stop changing the environment because any man-made change is bad. 

It's difficult to argue with either, because the first one is more philosophical than empirical, and the second one is purely emotional IMHO. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8664 on: August 14, 2023, 12:46:56 PM »
As noted, we have some folks on the "Left" claiming the world is ending "soon", in effect, and many on the Right claiming it's not a big deal at all. It's understandable that folks can get confused by it all.  If we go by the IPCC midpoint "projections", it's neither world ending nor not a big deal at all.

But that doesn't get clicks.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8665 on: August 14, 2023, 01:10:14 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 14, 2023, 12:00:40 PM
What is the "degree" which you think CC alarmists believe it to be?

I find folks on both sides misrepresent what the "scientists" are actually predicting about CC, things like how Manhattan will be underwater and Orlando will be a port city, etc.
For that last 80 years, there have been CC alarmists proclaiming that if we don't to X now, the world will end in 10 years. And the problem I have is that the only solution they propose, is giving government more control over our lives. Sorry, I'm not buying it. 
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