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Cincydawg

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8288 on: July 12, 2023, 08:25:56 AM »
Plant Trees
That can work but only if you bury them later, rather deep.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8289 on: July 12, 2023, 08:44:55 AM »
oh well its a heavy burden but Ill just have to try to go on living

do you have any idea just how small 120 ppm is

its like adding 1 oz to 78 gallons and expecting that to make a difference

so yes until some kind of proof comes along Ill just remain skeptical
Jesus, I work in the chemicals industry, even a few PPM is huge.  We have chemicals we mix together, nothing happens.  Inject a few ppm of a certain catalyst, or sometimes a few parts per BILLION, and wham !  You get a reaction, and new chemicals.  

Per your 1 oz to 78.....put one oz of water in 78 gallons of gasoline and let me know how that goes (unfiltered to your engine).  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8290 on: July 12, 2023, 08:49:11 AM »
Jesus, I work in the chemicals industry, even a few PPM is huge.  We have chemicals we mix together, nothing happens.  Inject a few ppm of a certain catalyst, or sometimes a few parts per BILLION, and wham !  You get a reaction, and new chemicals. 

Per your 1 oz to 78.....put one oz of water in 78 gallons of gasoline and let me know how that goes (unfiltered to your engine). 
we are not talking about a chemical reaction

we are talking about the ability to retain the heat generated from the sun
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8291 on: July 12, 2023, 08:57:57 AM »
Plant Trees
yup

no effort or focus on planting trees or on the limiting of cutting down trees and burning them
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8292 on: July 12, 2023, 08:58:54 AM »
we are not talking about a chemical reaction

we are talking about the ability to retain the heat generated from the sun
Either way, your premise that "120 PPM" doesn't seem like much is quite preposterous.  

I think we're smart enough to realize that like any good potential crisis, we recognize that many politicians are using this as a power grab to exert their will.  For guys like us, we know that curbing GHG (green house gas) emissions means we won't be able to buy gasoline as cheap or as plentiful, nor use natural gas for our home, and we probably won't be able to have everyday conveniences like cheap plastic packaging for food, beverages, etc.  We also know that the truly rich won't change a thing about their lives, they'll still have their private jets and yachts, and that doesn't sit well.  

Both things can be true. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8293 on: July 12, 2023, 09:05:24 AM »
Some of the more prominent wealthy will "virtue signal", as will many larger companies out there.  They won't really do much at all but they will highlight some insignificant things they are doing, like Exxon and fuel from algae.  Gimmicks in other words, or marketing.

Some folks with private jets will claim to buy offsets, and maybe some do.  (I'm dubious how these offsets actually work but that's another story.)

And of course a lot of the above will make "pledges" of what they are "going to do", which is akin to someone pledging to lose weight often as not.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8294 on: July 12, 2023, 09:25:12 AM »
Either way, your premise that "120 PPM" doesn't seem like much is quite preposterous. 


and maybe it is but adding 1 oz to 78 gallons to help it retain heat seems like a stretch

but Id be the first to tell you how unqualified I am in that field

Im not going to run for President over it

Its just a personal thought
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8295 on: July 12, 2023, 09:25:25 AM »
I'd guess private jets are a small percentage of CO2 generation compared to commercial airlines

better to simply ban all air travel for leisure and for 90% of business

the only way for this to save the planet is for extreme changes in lifestyle

not just throwing $$$ at a problem
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8296 on: July 12, 2023, 09:26:45 AM »
1 oz of water in 78 gallons of fuel isn't going to cause a problem in my Chevy truck
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8297 on: July 12, 2023, 09:35:05 AM »
One item about the CO2 "model" is important, I think, as one can calculate rather easily the impact of more CO2 ALONE as a single variable on global temperatures, and the effect really is quite small, a couple tenths as I recall.  Here is where it gets tricky of course.

Another issue is that a SLIGHT imbalance in the heat in/heat out ratio can over time exert a large change in global T.  Heat is not the same as temperature of course, heat can be a far more influential factor.  Imagine the heat balance shifts by 0.1%, over time that can be crucial.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8298 on: July 12, 2023, 09:36:32 AM »
we are not talking about a chemical reaction

we are talking about the ability to retain the heat generated from the sun
We've got an atmosphere made up of numerous gasses at different temperatures and pressures at different layers, of which the percentages of said gasses are being altered by us (as little or as much as you want to acknowledge), but it's not a chemical reaction?
Perhaps not by definition, but this specification screams "nuh uh" rather than being a genuine reason to resist the scientific consensus.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8299 on: July 12, 2023, 09:37:40 AM »
I'd guess private jets are a small percentage of CO2 generation compared to commercial airlines

better to simply ban all air travel for leisure and for 90% of business

the only way for this to save the planet is for extreme changes in lifestyle

not just throwing $$$ at a problem
Great point.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8300 on: July 12, 2023, 09:40:30 AM »
We've got an atmosphere made up of numerous gasses at different temperatures and pressures at different layers, of which the percentages of said gasses are being altered by us (as little or as much as you want to acknowledge), but it's not a chemical reaction?
Perhaps not by definition, but this specification screams "nuh uh" rather than being a genuine reason to resist the scientific consensus.
No, it's not.  A chemical reaction by definition requires some compound to be converted into another compound (or element).  Changing a mixture is not that.

Definitions are important when available and clear cut.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8301 on: July 12, 2023, 09:43:05 AM »
yup, like chili
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