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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8274 on: July 11, 2023, 07:13:55 PM »
Kids made some sand castles at the beach but I don't recall any bags being involved.
I was speaking about you saying you were going to move to Florida

if you do take some of those West Coast folks with you
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8275 on: July 11, 2023, 07:42:05 PM »
You said that scientists actually constructed a replica of earths atmosphere and tested it by varying the co2 mixture

if so do you have the published report on this
Literally, high school students do this experiment: https://digitalcommons.imsa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1007&context=eco_disrupt

It's absolutely a replica of earth's atmosphere with varying the CO2, because it's literally earth's atmosphere with CO2 injection (in this case by dropping alka seltzer in water). 

This is not new. This is basic stuff. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8276 on: July 11, 2023, 07:51:34 PM »
Literally, high school students do this experiment: https://digitalcommons.imsa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1007&context=eco_disrupt

It's absolutely a replica of earth's atmosphere with varying the CO2, because it's literally earth's atmosphere with CO2 injection (in this case by dropping alka seltzer in water).

This is not new. This is basic stuff.
so is the alka seltzer equal to 120 ppm

no doubt an increase in co2 raises the temp if its enough co2 to do so

but not sure this tests it at 120 ppm
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8277 on: July 11, 2023, 08:23:06 PM »


This is not new. This is basic stuff.
Ohhhh what a relative phrase, lol.
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« Reply #8278 on: July 11, 2023, 08:26:13 PM »
define enough


knowing full well that the existing evidence may lead to the wrong conclusion

I don't know that there is a consensus among enough scientists to declare the COVID vaccines right or wrong
and there's plenty of existing evidence
Enough:  for a general consensus to form based on the available data. If there is no consensus (as with your alleged COVID example), then it's not enough.
The great thing about science is that it's a self-sharpening tool.  No need to use hope as a strategy, just more data.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8279 on: July 11, 2023, 08:53:29 PM »
That CO2 is a greenhouse gas is about as solidly KNOWN as anything in science.  Now, one can question climate models, I do myself, as climate is extremelly complex.

The more I read about all this the more I get confused, really, the topic is basically beyond my efforts.  So, what politicians have done is get a group of folks together to prepare a broad summary, we call this the IPCC Report, which anyone can read, the summary thereof is not very complex nor long.  Whether they are right or not is a valid question, but certainly is beyond my pay grade.  All models are wrong, some models are useful.

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« Reply #8280 on: July 11, 2023, 09:27:31 PM »
Enough:  for a general consensus to form based on the available data. If there is no consensus (as with your alleged COVID example), then it's not enough.
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« Reply #8281 on: July 11, 2023, 10:41:20 PM »
The problem isn't at what % a consensus is formed, it's that one side learns what the evidence suggests and if it goes against their ideology, they pretend to suddenly be skeptical.
But instead of being skeptical due to practical reasons, it's simply to cast doubt, just because.  It's mostly a delay ploy in order to get some of their own research - just enough to launch a "what about-ism" campaign.  
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I'm not sure when or even why conservatives decided "fuck the environment" was the party line, but that was a choice.  
Obviously, not all conservatives feel that way, but it's definitely the unofficial policy of the party.
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« Reply #8282 on: July 11, 2023, 10:52:21 PM »
I think many conservatives would like to do better with the environment

if the effort was cost effective and would actually help

but, it seems party lines rule every argument
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« Reply #8283 on: July 11, 2023, 10:52:35 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/can-the-climate-heal-itself-cumulus-cirrus-clouds-negative-feedback-un-30bbbef0?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR0tctfEV7YdWhi7NiL_cf6RbJmIcOFuFmi7vP0lTumAKKOInTEAPtw-l3s
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8284 on: July 11, 2023, 11:16:41 PM »
take this to the other thread

no need for this discussion to become political
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8285 on: July 12, 2023, 06:43:41 AM »
I think many conservatives would like to do better with the environment

if the effort was cost effective and would actually help

but, it seems party lines rule every argument
Few folks are "anti-environment", as that position is nonsensical.  As noted, there can be a discussion about urgency, cost, benefit, etc. that is legitimate in my view.  I've pointed out on numerous occasions with hard data how the "steps" being taken now at considerable expense cannot have any measurable impact on climate using the IPCC's own models.  The MIT Climate Group has said the same thing.  I've heard we'd need $50 TRILLION to get to net zero just in the US by 2050.  That isn't practable, it's not going to happen, "we" are going to throw a few billions at it and wonder why it makes no difference.

That's why a serious plan is needed showing costs, benefits (using the accepted models), and why we need to start now.  Such a plan would be looked at askance even by liberals.  And that is why no such plan exists.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8286 on: July 12, 2023, 08:11:00 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #8287 on: July 12, 2023, 08:15:51 AM »
I'm actually just kidding around.  I was in NOLA two weeks ago, high temps were around 95, and humidity was high, as it typically is there.

But it felt deliciously balmy compared to the 105 I'd left in Austin.

And then there were those 84-88 degree days on the Florida coast in Pensacola.  Pure bliss.  I wanted to stay forever.  I think I might just move there.
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