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NorthernOhioBuckeye

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7924 on: June 09, 2023, 10:04:56 AM »
When they carry the same credentials as a  "real" expert-- and they often do-- how is one to know?
See who is funding their research. That will tell you all you need to know.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7925 on: June 09, 2023, 10:07:00 AM »
didn't need a negative hit piece on climate change to tell us that

the silver lining was fewer hurricanes in the Atlantic
And more rain for Texico.

Like I said, we eagerly anticipate every El Nino cycle, it's really, REALLY good for us.

But I didn't see that anywhere in that climate hit piece.  The only mentions of rain were associated with "severe flooding."





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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7927 on: June 10, 2023, 12:30:44 PM »
Ive been gone for the last 36 hours as a storm blew threw with 100 mph winds caused all hell with power lines 

my power was restored about an hour ago

at one time 250,000 were without power

attached is local coverage most of with was filmed in my neighborhood


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« Reply #7928 on: June 10, 2023, 12:53:34 PM »
Wow. 100 MPH? That's like a CAT 2 hurricane. How long did it blow like that?

Back around 12 years ago we had a derecho blow through, up North, packing 130+ MPH winds (CAT 4). That took power down for 7 days at our house. The storm lasted about 30 minutes.

July 2011 Midwest derecho - Wikipedia

The seiche it produced lifted the docks of the stud poles in our marina, leaving them swing back and forth for hours. We could not get on the boat for about 3 days or so. Pretty powerful stuff. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7929 on: June 10, 2023, 01:09:29 PM »
Wow. 100 MPH? That's like a CAT 2 hurricane. How long did it blow like that?

Back around 12 years ago we had a derecho blow through, up North, packing 130+ MPH winds (CAT 4). That took power down for 7 days at our house. The storm lasted about 30 minutes.

July 2011 Midwest derecho - Wikipedia

The seiche it produced lifted the docks of the stud poles in our marina, leaving them swing back and forth for hours. We could not get on the boat for about 3 days or so. Pretty powerful stuff.
it was a very fast moving storm and may have had some tornadic activity

the high winds lasted for no more the 15 minutes
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7930 on: June 10, 2023, 02:00:35 PM »
Well, glad you made it OK. Those storms are spooky and often come with little notice.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7931 on: June 10, 2023, 07:48:50 PM »
One thing that IMO really prevents the adoption of more nuclear power is the lack of disposal options.  I'm aware that Yucca Mountain got cancelled, and we could recycle a lot of it, but choose not to (France apparently recycles a lot).  So before we even broach building more, we need to decide how to dispose of what we've got.  

One of the last Nuclear power stations built in the US ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Texas_Nuclear_Generating_Station ) is built about 30-40 miles from my house.  It took 20 years or more to build.  I went to school with lots of kids whose parents moved here to work at "STP" or South Texas Project.  They moved here when we were in elementary school, and they finished the plant when we were in Jr High.  I'm sure there were people who worked there longer than that, but I do recall how many people worked there during construction.  

They were going to add on to it in the mid-2000's, but escalating costs and Fukishima incident got that stopped.  I do know that the Nuke plant is built literally in the middle of nowhere, nothing around it for at least 5 miles.  As a kid I just always assumed that all Nuke plants were built in the middle of nowhere, and then I saw TV shows featuring Nuke plants like right across from people's houses and they can see the domes from their backyard.  That's wild to me.  

I wanted to ask UTEE since he's (obviously) an EE.  I heard that even though the grid spans thousands of miles, the energy produced by generators needs to be consumed within a few hundred miles of where it's generated.  I knew there would be losses the further out they go and higher voltages can help off-set transmission distances, but what is the real story?  I just naturally assumed that you could easily build power plants hundreds of miles from nowhere and I never understood why they didn't build more like that.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7932 on: June 10, 2023, 07:50:22 PM »
As far as the NG banning goes, my understanding is that the Feds (one or two people in various capacities with no real rule-making authority) wanted to ban NG more because of the indoor air pollution, not necessarily the CO emissions.  Some cities, like NYC, want to discontinue new connections to new buildings for CC reasons, but a few scientists in the Fed wanted to improve indoor air quality.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7933 on: June 10, 2023, 07:59:53 PM »
Here is a satellite picture of the STP.  The closest "city" is Bay City, about 12 miles NE from the plant.  Wadsworth is a tiny town, about 7 miles away.  Very little in the immediate vicinity of the plant except fields.  The lake is the cooling lake. 

My former co-workers dad was high up in management there, and he commuted about an hour from Lake Jackson every day. 

https://www.google.com/maps/search/south+texas+project+nuclear/@28.789706,-96.1926554,62654m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7934 on: June 10, 2023, 08:06:49 PM »
The question, then, is who do you actually look to or trust for opinions on these matters, if you immediately discount experts?

Bearing in mind that "nobody" is absolutely a valid answer--as we've already talked about "rational ignorance". I believe you only require knowledge of something if you plan to have an opinion and discuss/argue/debate it. If you plan to be a proud climate change agnostic, I totally understand and respect that.

It's the people that have opinions--usually very loud ones--without knowledge that bother me lol...
I can find you some expert opinions that you will tell you a man can dress up as a woman and cut off their man parts and they're a woman.  So flame me all you want, but I think I'll vet my experts by a different criteria.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7935 on: June 10, 2023, 09:17:05 PM »
Wow. 100 MPH? That's like a CAT 2 hurricane. How long did it blow like that?

Back around 12 years ago we had a derecho blow through, up North, packing 130+ MPH winds (CAT 4). That took power down for 7 days at our house. The storm lasted about 30 minutes.

July 2011 Midwest derecho - Wikipedia

The seiche it produced lifted the docks of the stud poles in our marina, leaving them swing back and forth for hours. We could not get on the boat for about 3 days or so. Pretty powerful stuff.


That thing hit Columbus just in time for my three minute walk home from work. 

Oh man. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7936 on: June 10, 2023, 09:43:54 PM »
I can find you some expert opinions that you will tell you a man can dress up as a woman and cut off their man parts and they're a woman.  So flame me all you want, but I think I'll vet my experts by a different criteria. 
Stay classy.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7937 on: June 10, 2023, 09:48:33 PM »
It would be neat to post nuclear plant images here, to see the variation.  Here's Port St. Lucie in FL, on the Atlantic coast.  

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