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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7896 on: June 08, 2023, 02:34:36 PM »
It's really not all that tough ...

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7897 on: June 08, 2023, 02:37:04 PM »
Gas is way better than resistance cooktops, I agree.  Badge and I obviously think induction is worth the extra money.  Every time I boil water for noodles I think about this.

Our Bosch induction stove was about $3200.  Meile makes one in the $7500 range.  Ha.
It is worth the extra money if your only choice is electric. Traditional electric stoves, as B.R.A.D. stated, absolutely suck.

I don't put my cast iron on the induction. I go outside and use an infrared butane stove. It gets blazing hot.

We're eventually going to have another propane tank buried, probably 350-400 gallons, to supplement the one we already have. At that time, I'm probably making the switch from Induction back to gas.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7898 on: June 08, 2023, 02:37:35 PM »
I rarely boil water for noodles
or rice

I rarely boil water
I can give you a recipe for boiling water if you like.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7899 on: June 08, 2023, 02:58:09 PM »
I can give you a recipe for boiling water if you like.
no need

not a huge fan of boiled food
don't eat much pasta
save my carbs for beer
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7900 on: June 08, 2023, 03:01:30 PM »
Very hazy around here today, Canadian smoke I reckon ... not as bad as NYC.  I run on that track around the softball fields.  Usually.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7901 on: June 08, 2023, 03:03:38 PM »

Various locales are going increasingly to try and APPEAR to be fighting CC, we see it daily.  Their efforts are entirely for show, maybe some believe in them.  They'll go after low hanging "fruit" that is microscopic in nature of course.  But it will appease some voters who want them to DO SOMETHING.
Not limited to climate change

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7902 on: June 08, 2023, 03:09:52 PM »
Sure, it's a political approach to nearly all our issues, national debt, gun control, defense, immigration ... find some small item somewhere and make it into a mole hill, er, mountain, and then pretend to DO something about it.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7903 on: June 08, 2023, 03:35:54 PM »
most folks are not skilled at debate, argument, or discussion
That is true. 

And most make it worse by holding opinions w/o knowledge. 

"Most folks", or as OAM calls them "the masses", have a knowledge level on climate change that can be expressed thusly:



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7904 on: June 08, 2023, 03:41:43 PM »
And that's why, when I replied as I did when CD said that if this was really a "crisis", that everyone would be screaming for more nuclear power. 

I don't trust "the masses" to do so. Because half of them don't think climate change is a problem--if they even believe it exists or is caused by man. And the other half are scared of nuke and apply NO economic reasoning to it, just thinking we can manufacture clean energy freely out of unicorn farts, and if that doesn't work, we'll just "make the rich pay their fair share" and it'll all be fine. 

So I didn't want to reply by using the opinions of these folks:



Instead, I posted the opinions of ACTUAL SCIENTISTS. People who should both be smart enough to have an informed opinion on whether it's a problem, and also smart enough to realize that "hope & change" isn't a strategy to solve it. 

And you know what? They overwhelmingly believe it's happening, it's caused by us, and it's a significant problem. And as such, they are FAR more in favor of nuclear energy than "the masses". In short, their position appears to be consistent that we have to solve this and that nuclear is probably going to have to be part of that solution. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7905 on: June 08, 2023, 03:48:17 PM »
There is a pretty strong "anti-expert" population in the US today, there's been one for a while, but I think with the Internet etc. it's getting stronger.  We all grant experts can be wrong, but they are wrong a lot less often than non-experts, in my view, on the topic of their expertise.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7906 on: June 08, 2023, 04:03:26 PM »
There is a pretty strong "anti-expert" population in the US today, there's been one for a while, but I think with the Internet etc. it's getting stronger.  We all grant experts can be wrong, but they are wrong a lot less often than non-experts, in my view, on the topic of their expertise.

I think it's tough for the public to trust "experts" when their "expertise" is so commonly horse-traded for political reasons. 

COVID is a very real and very recent example of this.  There were "experts" on both sides, but only one side insisted that if you didn't blindly follow them and fall in behind them in lock-step, you were some kind of anti-science rube who might as well just believe in witch doctoring shamanism.  They brayed the loudest and, as it turns out, made some significant mistakes.

It's pretty easy to see why something like climate change could be viewed with skepticism, when it's a lot of the same loud-mouthed dipshits insisting if you're not 100% on-board with them, then you're the equivalent of the devil.

And I say that as someone that does believe climate change is real, it's a problem, and it's man-made.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7907 on: June 08, 2023, 04:06:35 PM »
I find often the so called experts that make a splash in the media are not the "real" experts on a topic.  They are featured because they will convey the political narrative, not because they are actually scientiifically accepted experts.  You can always find an "expert" to validate what you want to be true.  

The tough thing is listening to experts who tell you things you don't want to be true.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7908 on: June 08, 2023, 04:17:12 PM »
I find often the so called experts that make a splash in the media are not the "real" experts on a topic.  
When they carry the same credentials as a  "real" expert-- and they often do-- how is one to know?

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7909 on: June 08, 2023, 04:25:04 PM »
I think they don't usually carry any real credential a tall

so, for lack of a real label, such as scientist or PHD or whatever, they are simply referred to as "experts" to gain a shred of credibility

when I see "expert" as a label, I immediately discount their opinion  
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