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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7868 on: June 08, 2023, 11:20:27 AM »
𝗟𝗘𝗧’𝗦 𝗣𝗔𝗦𝗦 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗘-𝗕𝗜𝗞𝗘 𝗔𝗖𝗧
The E-BIKE Act would offer a 30% tax credit of up to $1,500 on the purchase of new e-bikes. REI is urging Congress to make climate-friendly transport more affordable for everyone, but we can’t do it alone.
That’s where you come in: We need 30,000 people to take action so add your voice to join us.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7869 on: June 08, 2023, 11:36:32 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on June 08, 2023, 11:07:26 AM
I don't know of any climate related issues for natural gas. Municipalities banning them makes some sense, because it is probably cheaper to maintain the electric line instead of the electric and the gas line. "Climate" gives some sort of moral cover for a dollars and sense change.
Municipalities don't maintain gas or electric lines. That falls on the utility companies.

It is very rare that a municipality is also a utility.

How I know this? I have several utility companies as clients in Illinois, Wisconsin and Indiana.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7870 on: June 08, 2023, 11:37:14 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 11:20:27 AM
𝗟𝗘𝗧’𝗦 𝗣𝗔𝗦𝗦 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗘-𝗕𝗜𝗞𝗘 𝗔𝗖𝗧
The E-BIKE Act would offer a 30% tax credit of up to $1,500 on the purchase of new e-bikes. REI is urging Congress to make climate-friendly transport more affordable for everyone, but we can’t do it alone.
That’s where you come in: We need 30,000 people to take action so add your voice to join us.

Have at it. I'll sit home and watch the silliness.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7871 on: June 08, 2023, 11:47:09 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 08, 2023, 11:36:32 AM
Municipalities don't maintain gas or electric lines. That falls on the utility companies.

It is very rare that a municipality is also a utility.

it's not that rare for some small towns in Iowa
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7872 on: June 08, 2023, 11:52:41 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 11:47:09 AM
it's not that rare for some small towns in Iowa
That's what I mean by rare. The towns purchase power from a producer in those cases. The producer has no incentive to go into small towns that are very far from the grid.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7873 on: June 08, 2023, 12:04:28 PM »
the munis usually get in the business to provide better service and lower prices than the incumbent provider
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7874 on: June 08, 2023, 12:21:55 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 08, 2023, 10:54:27 AM
Why the movement to ban gas appliances and heating systems?
Because burning natural gas releases CO2 into the environment and...

...ahh, screw it. Never mind. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7875 on: June 08, 2023, 12:43:26 PM »
Various locales are going increasingly to try and APPEAR to be fighting CC, we see it daily.  Their efforts are entirely for show, maybe some believe in them.  They'll go after low hanging "fruit" that is microscopic in nature of course.  But it will appease some voters who want them to DO SOMETHING.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7876 on: June 08, 2023, 12:58:47 PM »
natural gas releases co2 at half the amount of coal and 30% that of oil

it would seem logical to move in that direction until better energy sources can be fully utilized
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7877 on: June 08, 2023, 01:03:32 PM »
The CO2 generated by using NG is about half that of coal in generating electricity.  We really use very little oil to generate electricity.  They use it some in Hawaii for obvious reasons.  NG has some clear advantages in electrical generation when used as a peaker plant, which we'd need a lot of if we used a lot of solar and wind.

Coal is of course a lot dirtier cradle to grave.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7878 on: June 08, 2023, 01:08:02 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 08, 2023, 01:03:32 PM
The CO2 generated by using NG is about half that of coal in generating electricity.  We really use very little oil to generate electricity.  They use it some in Hawaii for obvious reasons.  NG has some clear advantages in electrical generation when used as a peaker plant, which we'd need a lot of if we used a lot of solar and wind.

Coal is of course a lot dirtier cradle to grave.




so why are some folks wanting to kill the NG industry
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7879 on: June 08, 2023, 01:10:07 PM »
Because burning natural gas releases CO2 into the environment and...

...ahh, screw it. Never mind.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7880 on: June 08, 2023, 01:10:44 PM »
Some object to fracking, and more object to half not being zero.  They think we can flip a switch somehow magically.

Politicians do things for political reasons, duh, not because they really make any sense.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7881 on: June 08, 2023, 01:11:31 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 08, 2023, 01:10:07 PM
Because burning natural gas releases CO2 into the environment and...

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that seems to be in bad faith

ahh screw it never mind
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