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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7840 on: June 07, 2023, 04:48:19 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 07, 2023, 05:00:47 AM

If this were really really a "crisis", folks would be clamoring for nuclear despite it's bad image.

Remember, as OAM is wont to say, the masses are stupid. They're following their "side" and not actually paying attention to the science. 

What do scientists think? Well, here's a survey of the American Association for the Advancement of Science members:

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Building nuclear power plants
Building More Nuclear Power Plants
When it comes to nuclear power, there is a 20-point gap between AAAS members’ and the general public’s views, with the AAAS community more inclined than the general public to build more nuclear power plants. Fully 65% of AAAS members favor building more nuclear power plants, while 33% are opposed. Those figures are similar to the subsets of AAAS members who are Working Ph.D. Scientists and Active Research Scientists. By contrast, about half of Americans (51%) oppose building more nuclear power plants, while 45% are in favor.

A majority of AAAS members support more nuclear power plants, regardless of disciplinary specialty. Physicists and engineers are more strongly in favor of building more nuclear power plants than are those in other specialties. For example, 79% of all physicists surveyed and 75% of engineers connected with AAAS favor building more nuclear power plants. The views of Earth scientists are similar to those of all members; 66% among this group favor more nuclear power plants and 32% are opposed.

Some Variation in Views About Building More Nuclear Power Plants by Discipline

BTW of that group, 87% believed that warming was mostly due to human activity, and 77% said climate change is a "very serious problem". 

Which might explain why they're FAR more in favor of nuclear power than the general public. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7841 on: June 07, 2023, 04:52:03 PM »
AAAS members

comprised mostly of scientists?  or just experts?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7842 on: June 07, 2023, 04:56:12 PM »
I'm all in when it comes to nuclear power generation.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7843 on: June 07, 2023, 04:59:24 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 07, 2023, 04:52:03 PM
AAAS members

comprised mostly of scientists?  or just experts?
They cover that. They split out some of the answers. 

Looks like it's mostly actual scientists. 

Where it doesn't seem to cover is what climate scientists specifically think about nuclear... I just did a quick google search to find this. 
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« Reply #7844 on: June 07, 2023, 05:00:40 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 07, 2023, 04:56:12 PM
I'm all in when it comes to nuclear power generation.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7845 on: June 07, 2023, 05:50:42 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2023, 04:59:24 PM
They cover that. They split out some of the answers.

Looks like it's mostly actual scientists.

Where it doesn't seem to cover is what climate scientists specifically think about nuclear... I just did a quick google search to find this.
see if you can find out their justification for banning gas appliances

its probably related to banning nuclear power
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7846 on: June 07, 2023, 05:53:37 PM »
I'm reading that book I cited, the parts available on Amazon (Chpt 1-2).  She offers her own history about all this, and discussion of risk and what the ideal climate might be.
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« Reply #7847 on: June 07, 2023, 06:02:17 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 07, 2023, 05:50:42 PM
see if you can find out their justification for banning gas appliances

its probably related to banning nuclear power
You wouldn't know this because you didn't read the link, as usual...

...but there was no survey question about the AAAS and banning gas appliances.

So... No. Not going to find out their justification for a claim they didn't make.

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Edit... BTW the whole point of my original post is that they're IN FAVOR OF NUCLEAR POWER. They're not advocating banning it. 

Which you'd know, if you actually read anything anyone else posts. 
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« Reply #7848 on: June 07, 2023, 07:15:36 PM »
Nuclear is a great option, as long as you're not on a fault line.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7849 on: June 07, 2023, 07:16:06 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 07, 2023, 06:02:17 PM
You wouldn't know this because you didn't read the link, as usual...

...but there was no survey question about the AAAS and banning gas appliances.

So... No. Not going to find out their justification for a claim they didn't make.

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Edit... BTW the whole point of my original post is that they're IN FAVOR OF NUCLEAR POWER. They're not advocating banning it.

Which you'd know, if you actually read anything anyone else posts.
well I did know that smarty pants

I just thought you were searching for answers to climate things in general

BTW I do read most of what folks post except for you but I would have made an exception
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7850 on: June 07, 2023, 07:23:42 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7851 on: June 07, 2023, 07:29:32 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 07, 2023, 07:16:06 PM
well I did know that smarty pants
You knew what? That the link I provided said that the scientists who largely believe man is responsible for global warming and that it's a serious problem, are also MORE in support of nuclear power than the general public? 

Then why did you say this? 

Quote from: longhorn320 on June 07, 2023, 05:50:42 PM
see if you can find out their justification for banning gas appliances

its probably related to banning nuclear power
You accused the scientists I referenced of wanting to ban nuclear power when they were in favor of nuclear power. 

And you brought up a completely unrelated point about gas appliances because OTHER people than these scientists--and completely unrelated to these scientists--threatened to ban them. 

Have you once, in your life, argued a point in good faith? Or has it always been like this?
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« Reply #7852 on: June 07, 2023, 08:14:30 PM »
When I used the word they I was not refering to your article

sorry for the misunderstanding 

Im sure there a place reserved in Hell for me

youre so cought up in trying to attack me that you avoid any ability to have a meaningful discussion

I was putting forth an honest question about why do some climate change believers want to do away with gas appliances and nuclear power

it looks like they want to make sure theres nothing left to do but use electricity
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7853 on: June 07, 2023, 08:56:59 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 07, 2023, 08:14:30 PM
When I used the word they I was not refering to your article

sorry for the misunderstanding

Im sure there a place reserved in Hell for me

youre so cought up in trying to attack me that you avoid any ability to have a meaningful discussion

I was putting forth an honest question about why do some climate change believers want to do away with gas appliances and nuclear power

it looks like they want to make sure theres nothing left to do but use electricity
Well when you replied to me I was assuming you were referring to my article--because that's what FF was discussing. I guess what we have here, is a failure, to communicate. 

You may have thought that you were putting forth an honest question about why do some climate change believers want to do away with gas applicances and nuclear power. And you replied to me talking about scientists (not "some climate change believers" but actual scientists) believe in climate change AND support nuclear power. Which made absolutely no sense to me, but you were replying to ME. Hence my confusion as to, well, your failure, to communicate. 

It all makes me think that you want to say what you want to say, but without actually meaningfully engaging with what others say or the evidence they supply. Hence, arguing in bad faith. Not interested in real discussion. 
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