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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7812 on: June 06, 2023, 06:14:46 AM »
Energy Department unveils plan using hydrogen energy to cut US emissions by 10 percent | The Hill

I wouldn't call that "a plan" at all, maybe there is more meat somewhere ,,,,

It also outlines a need to make hydrogen energy cheaper and to focus on regional hubs. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7813 on: June 06, 2023, 06:51:38 AM »
Coal generated electricity could be used to split water into oxygen and hydrogen.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7814 on: June 06, 2023, 08:11:19 AM »
It also outlines a need to make hydrogen energy cheaper and to focus on regional hubs.
"make cheaper" with tax incentives and govt subsidies 
"focus" - all about the focus
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7815 on: June 06, 2023, 03:09:30 PM »
Climate study says it’s too late to save summer Arctic sea ice | The Hill

The research indicates that even under a scenario where carbon emissions are sharply curtailed, the Arctic will be “practically” ice-free in September by the middle of the 21st century. The study’s projection goes even further than the warning issued in 2021 by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which determined there is still a chance to save the summer ice in a scenario where warming is kept below 2 degrees Celsius.

The research is also more pessimistic about the speed of ice loss, predicting the loss of summer ice by the 2030s, as opposed to the IPCC projection of the 2040s under a high- or intermediate-emissions scenario.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7816 on: June 06, 2023, 03:54:55 PM »
Climate study says it’s too late to save summer Arctic sea ice | The Hill

The research indicates that even under a scenario where carbon emissions are sharply curtailed, the Arctic will be “practically” ice-free in September by the middle of the 21st century. The study’s projection goes even further than the warning issued in 2021 by the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which determined there is still a chance to save the summer ice in a scenario where warming is kept below 2 degrees Celsius.

The research is also more pessimistic about the speed of ice loss, predicting the loss of summer ice by the 2030s, as opposed to the IPCC projection of the 2040s under a high- or intermediate-emissions scenario.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7817 on: June 06, 2023, 05:38:40 PM »
Even if it takes hundreds of years, I'd just like for humans to live in harmony with nature.  Not obsessing over parts per million data or for some hippy reasons, just because it would probably be a beneficial goal.  Challenging.  But worth it.  
Maybe a lot more underground.
Maybe transportation by magnets.
Maybe living and farming where it's naturally green.
Maybe not needing so much power.
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I think we're in the 'throw expensive idea shits around all 4 walls' stage of a possibly "greener" future.  We're not too sharp.  A lot of people want to help and help fast, but it's not a fast job.  A lot of people poo-poo the problem, which always happens with any big issue.  
Whatever "side" you're on, we're probably in the toddler stage of this thing.  
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7818 on: June 06, 2023, 05:40:38 PM »
We are in a "toddler stage", energywise, but some "experts" say we're in a crisis stage climatewise.  And there are 8 billion of us.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7819 on: June 06, 2023, 05:53:57 PM »
We are in a "toddler stage", energywise, but some "experts" say we're in a crisis stage climatewise.  And there are 8 billion of us.
some of us feel there is no man made climate crisis and although many believe there is many more are simply using this belief for political purposes

and OAM is correct that its a shame we dont put our efforts toward something that would truely benefit the human race
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7820 on: June 06, 2023, 07:10:55 PM »
https://www.noaa.gov/news-release/broken-record-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-levels-jump-again


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Carbon dioxide levels measured at NOAA’s Mauna Loa Atmospheric Baseline Observatory peaked at 424 parts per million in May, continuing a steady climb further into territory not seen for millions of years, scientists from NOAA and Scripps Institution of Oceanographyoffsite link at the University of California San Diego announced today. 

Measurements of carbon dioxide (CO2) obtained by NOAA’s Global Monitoring Laboratory averaged 424.0 parts per million (ppm) in May, the month when CO2 peaks in the Northern Hemisphere. That is an increase of 3.0 ppm over May 2022, and represents the fourth-largest annual increases in the peak of the Keeling Curve in NOAA’s record. Scientists at Scripps, which maintains an independent record, calculated a May monthly average of 423.78 ppm , also a 3.0 ppm increase over their May 2022 average.


Carbon dioxide levels are now more than 50% higher than they were before the onset of the industrial era.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7822 on: June 06, 2023, 07:36:21 PM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7823 on: June 06, 2023, 08:58:06 PM »
not seen for millions of years

who the F was measuring that back then?
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7824 on: June 07, 2023, 05:00:47 AM »
CO2 levels in the past can be deduced from bubbles in polar ice.  One can argue of course that this is fraught with peril, folks do report it.

paleoclimatology - How were we able to measure carbon dioxide levels in earlier climates? - Earth Science Stack Exchange

I think a real danger is this "thing" spirals out of control somehow, permafrost melting for example, or stoppage of the Atlantic ocean current.  I have no idea how likely either is.  But if it happens, there isn't much humans could do about it, before or after.  Despite all the hand wringing and signing of commitments, we're flat out going to increase CO2 levels quite a bit from here.  Maybe with a lot of $$$ we can reduce that increase slightly, maybe.

If this were really really a "crisis", folks would be clamoring for nuclear despite it's bad image.



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