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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7714 on: May 31, 2023, 07:01:49 AM »
I always hear about the cost of trying to be proactive (decades too late), but no one mentions the cost of being reactive.
When Florida is under water, how much will it cost to house and move 25 million people? 
If there's x% more wildfires and hurricanes causing x% more damage, how much will that cost?
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Might we infer you favor spending that $50 trillion lest these bad things happen?  When are they projected to occur, according to the IPCC models, e.g., Florida being under water etc.?  Have hurricane frequencies in the Atlantic basin increased over the years?  Has their power increased?

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7715 on: May 31, 2023, 07:27:41 AM »
you know, with the satellite pics I see of before and after of some glaciers and ice caps seemingly HUGE amounts of ice has melted in the past 10 years or so.........

the ocean levels at least on the east and west coast of the US haven't changed much a tall
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7716 on: May 31, 2023, 07:32:20 AM »
The hysterics of folks talking about Florida being under water in X years is stuff from movies, not the IPCC.  Ignorance.

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« Reply #7717 on: May 31, 2023, 07:35:22 AM »
and if some folks around the coasts lose property to a few meters of rise, I don't feel it's my fiscal responsibility to reimburse them for relocation.

but, I feel that way about many ways my government uses my tax dollars
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« Reply #7718 on: May 31, 2023, 07:39:59 AM »
A consumer class action lawsuit filed Tuesday claims Delta Air Lines inaccurately billed itself as the world’s “first carbon-neutral airline” and should pay damages. The complaint in federal court in California alleges the airline relied on carbon offsets that were largely bogus.

Companies around the world buy carbon credits to cancel out their carbon releases with projects that promise to absorb carbon dioxide out of the air, or prevent pollution that would’ve happened. But they’ve been under the spotlight in recent months with claims their benefits are exaggerated.

The company is a big customer, purchasing credits from projects including wind and solar projects in India and an Indonesian swamp forest, the lawsuit says.

Delta spokesperson Grant Myatt described the lawsuit as “without legal merit.”

“Since March 31, 2022, (Delta) has fully transitioned its focus away from carbon offsets toward decarbonization of our operations, focusing our efforts on investing in sustainable aviation fuel,” Myatt said in an email. He added that the company is renewing its fleet with “more fuel-efficient aircraft and implementing operational efficiencies.”
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7719 on: May 31, 2023, 07:47:00 AM »
and if some folks around the coasts lose property to a few meters of rise, I don't feel it's my fiscal responsibility to reimburse them for relocation.
According to yje IPCC models, how long would it take for mean sea level to rise "a few meters", call it 3 meters?


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« Reply #7720 on: May 31, 2023, 08:07:22 AM »
TS.C.5.4 Risks to coastal cities and settlements are projected to
increase by at least one order of magnitude by 2100 without
significant adaptation and mitigation action (high confidence).
The population at risk in coastal cities and settlements from a 100-
year coastal flood increases by approx. 20% if the global mean sea
level rises by 0.15 m relative to current levels, doubles at 0.75 m and
triples at 1.4 m, assuming present-day population and protection
height (high confidence). For example, in Europe, coastal flood
damage is projected to increase at least 10-fold by the end of the
21st century, and even more or earlier with current adaptation and
mitigation (high confidence). By 2100, 158–510  million people and
USD7,919–12,739 billion in assets are projected to be exposed to the
1-in-100-year coastal floodplain under RCP4.5, and 176–880 million
people and USD8,813–14,178  billion assets under RCP8.5

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0.15 meters in 77 years
doesn't state (high confidence)

How much are these folks(experts) getting paid???
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7721 on: May 31, 2023, 08:12:50 AM »
Their projection is MSL would rise about 0.6 meters by 2100, if little to nothing is done.  For the metrically challenged, that's about two feet.

And it wouldn't be good, but it's not enough to bury Miami under 20 feet of water.  If you go out to maybe 2500 and nothing is done, maybe.

This illustrates one of my earlier points.

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« Reply #7722 on: May 31, 2023, 08:13:07 AM »
Ahh got it.

Is there any understanding as to why the season is starting so soon this year? Has it been trending sooner over the last couple of decades?

Obv being out here on the West Coast, I don't really pay much attention to Gulf/Atlantic storms.
The season dates are set by the NHC in Miami, and they almost never change the dates.

The peak is generally September/October when the water is warmest.


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« Reply #7723 on: May 31, 2023, 08:18:46 AM »
There is a measure of hurricane activity and power called "ACE", Accumulated Cyclonic Energy.  It really has not changed much beyond the expected cyclic variability.



Nor has frequency ....


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7724 on: May 31, 2023, 08:19:18 AM »
And no, Miami won't be under 20 feet of water in the lifetime of our grandchildren.


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« Reply #7725 on: May 31, 2023, 08:20:39 AM »
I always hear about the cost of trying to be proactive (decades too late), but no one mentions the cost of being reactive.
When Florida is under water, how much will it cost to house and move 25 million people? 
If there's x% more wildfires and hurricanes causing x% more damage, how much will that cost?
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At least you're choosing the "when" and the "how much," however radical it may seem, when attempting to be proactive.
The problem with being reactive is that you have no say of "when" or "how much."


When Florida is under water, so is NYC, much of LA and DC, among other places.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7726 on: May 31, 2023, 08:23:17 AM »
Their projection is MSL would rise about 0.6 meters by 2100, if little to nothing is done.  For the metrically challenged, that's about two feet.

And it wouldn't be good, but it's not enough to bury Miami under 20 feet of water.  If you go out to maybe 2500 and nothing is done, maybe.

This illustrates one of my earlier points.
Let's talk in feet. We're the US.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7727 on: May 31, 2023, 08:25:02 AM »
And no, Miami won't be under 20 feet of water in the lifetime of our grandchildren.


It's fair to say Miami will NEVER be under 20' of water.
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