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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7672 on: May 29, 2023, 09:32:59 PM »
If you have kids then that allows you to pompously bloviate about "leaving a better world" for them.

When you don't have kids then the only thing that matters is what happens during your own lifetime, where it's pretty much guaranteed to not change by more than a tenth of a degree.

Now I suppose it's possible that a childless person might just have a really big heart for his fellow man. But this is fro that we are talking about. He's very selfish and juvenile in all aspects of his life, unless of course when his puppet masters command him to do otherwise; as is the case here with climate change.
Let's see how many consecutive personal attack posts you can get to.  Right now, you're at 3.
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The fact that you'd even question a childless person's caring for the future of humanity reveals your character.
You probably get all of your ethics from the bible and without a god, you probably worry that you'd go around raping and killing everyone.  In which case, please keep your faith strong!
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As it is, you're being a colossal asshat and everyone sees it.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7673 on: May 30, 2023, 06:19:24 AM »
I do see some asshattish kind of behaviors here at times.  I'd prefer any personal attacks and name calling be kept off these pages.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7674 on: May 30, 2023, 06:52:18 AM »
At any rate, life goes on of course, "we" will throw money at this "problem", not nearly enough to matter to the problem but enough to line pockets of the connected out there.  I could guess someone making too much to get the $7500 tax credit on a new EV might have a "straw purchaser" buy it for them, if the money is even a consideration to them.  The salary cap on this is pretty high anyway.

The best forecast I've seen has half the cars in the US being ICE vehicles by 2050 anyway.  That would cut auto pollution some, if the electricity is "green", but you still have heavy trucks as a rather major emitter.  There are a lot of trucks out there running on Diesel at 8-10 mpg.  One truck = 3-4 cars.  Maybe they go to fuel cells which poses another infrastructure challenge.  

Then there is the grid of course and all the various power sources.  The EIA projects we'll still be burning a good bit of coal in 2050.  Wind and solar are OK with me but the intermittency issue remains as of now.  Nuclear is going to drop over time as current plants are decommissioned and new plants don't happen unless SMRs catch fire, so to speak.  There simply is no realistic plan, just hand waving.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7675 on: May 30, 2023, 07:43:53 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7676 on: May 30, 2023, 07:47:49 AM »
At any rate, life goes on of course, "we" will throw money at this "problem", not nearly enough to matter to the problem but enough to line pockets of the connected out there.  I could guess someone making too much to get the $7500 tax credit on a new EV might have a "straw purchaser" buy it for them, if the money is even a consideration to them.  The salary cap on this is pretty high anyway.

The best forecast I've seen has half the cars in the US being ICE vehicles by 2050 anyway.  That would cut auto pollution some, if the electricity is "green", but you still have heavy trucks as a rather major emitter.  There are a lot of trucks out there running on Diesel at 8-10 mpg.  One truck = 3-4 cars.  Maybe they go to fuel cells which poses another infrastructure challenge. 

Then there is the grid of course and all the various power sources.  The EIA projects we'll still be burning a good bit of coal in 2050.  Wind and solar are OK with me but the intermittency issue remains as of now.  Nuclear is going to drop over time as current plants are decommissioned and new plants don't happen unless SMRs catch fire, so to speak.  There simply is no realistic plan, just hand waving.
And ships, trains, construction equipment, etc. Let's also not forget the mining for the batteries.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7677 on: May 30, 2023, 07:57:55 AM »
And ships, trains, construction equipment, etc. Let's also not forget the mining for the batteries.
Agricultural vehicles ... planes ... yup ... the notion of "net zero" by 2050 is not even a notion, or even a dream, it's a fantasy (short of economic meltdown or fusion becoming a reality).  People are simply lying about all of this because it opens government coffers for make work and make profit options.

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« Reply #7678 on: May 30, 2023, 08:03:08 AM »
People are simply lying about all of this because it opens government coffers for make work and make profit options.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7679 on: May 30, 2023, 08:10:59 AM »
As Ayn Rand said, "Allow nothing to pass the verdict of your own mind."

If you can't trust anyone, go to the source. Be like CD and actually try to go read and understand the primary research. The farther you get away from primary research, to the point where you're listening to journalists or politicians or editorialists, the harder it is to have any level of trust for any of them.
there are hundreds of sources of primary research
which shall I trust?
This Judith Curry person seems reasonable, but should I trust her?
It's obviously very complex and the best sources will admit that they really aren't certain about their projections
I have this issue and I know that politicians struggle with whom to trust.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7680 on: May 30, 2023, 08:11:04 AM »
I've seen the MCS Cruises commercial a few times now.

They claim that they will be all green in the future. They know damn well it's not true - unless they go with nuclear power - which ain't gonna happen.

They also know that the TV commercial will appeal to the greenies who will choose MSC over Royal. 

Or something.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7681 on: May 30, 2023, 08:12:09 AM »
there are hundreds of sources of primary research
which shall I trust?
This Judith Curry person seems reasonable, but should I trust her?
It's obviously very complex and the best sources will admit that they really aren't certain about their projections
I have this issue and I know that politicians struggle with whom to trust.
I think it's more like they trust whatever fits the narrative.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7682 on: May 30, 2023, 08:16:49 AM »
if they are true greenies and want to help, they will abstain from cruises and jet airliners

that's how I gauge commitment to save the planet

many want the government to do something, but they themselves sacrifice very little to help the cause.

they may buy an EV or put a solar panel on their roof, but the rest of their lifestyle goes unchanged. 
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7683 on: May 30, 2023, 08:17:01 AM »
I figure I have so little influence it doesn't really matter who I trust, it doesn't impact my behaviors or life in any way.  I believe in being a good steward of the environment in a general sense.  I made a pretty good effort to "read up" on the topic from the primary literature, and it's simply beyond my capabilities (too much jargon for one thing).  I know I'm personally not technically able to make my own determination, so to the extent I have an opinion, it's reflecting someone/something I have some trust in obviously.

I find Curry's page to be interesting and thought provoking, I pay a lot less attention to the comments section.  I generally align with her POV.  So, I guess I trust her pretty much, perhaps because her POV aligned with what I had been thinking anyway.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7684 on: May 30, 2023, 08:19:20 AM »
Companies will of course conduct PR campaigns, Exxon has had some about algae (which has all sorts of issues, and they know this).  Cruise lines will make "promises", maybe at some point they buy carbon offsets, but I doubt it really happens.  Off in the future they MIGHT use hydrogen, but that is way off.  Batteries are out.  At some point truly green hydrocarbon fuel might come to pass but it'll be expensive (Porsche).

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