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847badgerfan · « **Reply #7658 on:** May 29, 2023, 09:42:16 AM »

This climate science stuff is funded by and conducted by who?

longhorn320 · « **Reply #7659 on:** May 29, 2023, 09:44:49 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on May 29, 2023, 09:28:43 AM

It's easy, when you've already reached a conclusion, to seek out sources that agree with your conclusion and ignore everything else.
Author is an astrophysicist, not a climate scientist.
He pulls out the same tired "human CO2 is only 4% of CO2" BS that we debunked in this thread for you weeks ago.
He claims that current CO2 are an effect of the medieval warm period 500-800 years ago based on some understanding (again that we talked about in this thread, involving climate feedback loops) that during the transition from ice ages to warm periods, there is a lag between temp and CO2. However, there's no precedent for 410 ppm CO2, and no way that this level today could be an effect of the medieval warm period.
When an author starts his piece in only the second paragraph saying that this is about "tax and control" policies, you understand there might be political bias in a paper like this.

I've read yours. I'd love your thoughts on mine. 160+ year history of science and the study of CO2 and the greenhouse effect going back to 1859.

https://history.aip.org/climate/co2.htm
Somehow I believe this is the reverse. You're opposed to any change in lifestyle, so you deny the problem and seek out only sources which tell you it is all going to be just fine.

In psychology, we'd call that "motivated reasoning".

get over yourself beta

we just dont see eye to eye on this so stop trying to read my soul

go ahead and save the world just stay the hell away from my pocket book while you do

Cincydawg · « **Reply #7660 on:** May 29, 2023, 09:46:48 AM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 29, 2023, 09:42:16 AM

This climate science stuff is funded by and conducted by who?

It's been funded by a wide variety of agencies globally, some by oil companies et al., most by governments.

I found it enlightening to try and read some of the primary literature in Nature or Science, it gets past my ability to follow without more work than I wanted to put into it.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #7661 on:** May 29, 2023, 09:53:21 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 29, 2023, 09:46:48 AM

It's been funded by a wide variety of agencies globally, some by oil companies et al., most by governments.

I found it enlightening to try and read some of the primary literature in Nature or Science, it gets past my ability to follow without more work than I wanted to put into it.

FearlessF · « **Reply #7662 on:** May 29, 2023, 09:57:42 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on May 29, 2023, 09:46:48 AM

It's been funded by a wide variety of agencies globally, some by oil companies et al., most by governments.

I found it enlightening to try and read some of the primary literature in Nature or Science, it gets past my ability to follow without more work than I wanted to put into it.

me too

I just wish I could trust someone

Cincydawg · « **Reply #7663 on:** May 29, 2023, 10:01:25 AM »

As I keep saying, the debate is, to me, moot anyway. "We" are going to throw money at it, rather aimlessly in my view, and then complain when the problem gets worse (if there is a problem). There simply is no realistic practicable plan to deal with CO2 emissions in an amount that could possibly matter. The last piece of legislation appropriate $37 billion a year for "stuff" which isn't remotely enough to curb US CO2 emissions beyond what would happen anyway. One estimate I heard was it would cost $50 TRILLION to get to net neutral in the US alone by 2050. TRILLION.

Get real. We might be better off spending money on dikes and dams ....

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #7664 on:** May 29, 2023, 10:20:31 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on May 29, 2023, 09:44:49 AM

we just dont see eye to eye on this so stop trying to read my soul

Yes, it's clearly just different ways of seeing the world. I evaluate the science and use it to form an opinion. You form an opinion and seek out science to rationalize why your opinion was right in the first place.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #7665 on:** May 29, 2023, 10:22:24 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on May 29, 2023, 09:57:42 AM

me too

I just wish I could trust someone

As Ayn Rand said, "Allow nothing to pass the verdict of your own mind."

If you can't trust anyone, go to the source. Be like CD and actually try to go read and understand the primary research. The farther you get away from primary research, to the point where you're listening to journalists or politicians or editorialists, the harder it is to have any level of trust for any of them.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #7666 on:** May 29, 2023, 10:28:08 AM »

Global warming skeptic: Piers Corbyn (skepticalscience.com)

The site attempts to address some of the issues "deniers" have with climate change. I'm far from saying it's entirely correct, but it's fairly technical, I have not found any obvious errors in it.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #7667 on:** May 29, 2023, 11:03:08 AM »

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on May 29, 2023, 10:20:31 AM

Yes, it's clearly just different ways of seeing the world. I evaluate the science and use it to form an opinion. You form an opinion and seek out science to rationalize why your opinion was right in the first place.

good for you but you misread me

the only opinion I have is 120 ppm increase in co2 is not causing the planet to warm

other then that Im open to other suggested reasons causing warming

and BTW Im not alone in my opinion I could have posted several more expert opinions which agree with me

You say you evaluate science to form an opinion but while doing so you cast out any scientific opinion that does not agree with your formed opinion so bottom line you are guilty of what you are accusing me of

Cincydawg · « **Reply #7668 on:** May 29, 2023, 11:30:16 AM »

Senate Budget Committee Hearing: JC responds | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)

This site has some interesting discussion, and Judith Curry has some pretty impressive credentials, in the field of course. She is not a "denier" but she does question some of the more extreme comments and misuse of the climate models (including by the IPCC). Of course, this leaves one in a vague middle ground of "I'm not so sure about some things here", as opposed to being pretty convinced one is correct on either side.

The above "discussion" in front of Congress also illustrates how folks in Congress don't look for answers, they look for "gotchas", Whitehouse clearly thought he could trap her (he didn't except in his own mind).

"If you are going to attempt such a takedown in the future, I suggest that you need better staffers. The questions on “corrupt”, “hoax”, Exxon, and API were truly inane. If you are attempting to prove something such as 2004 climate model projections matching observations, you should rely on a better source than a blog post. In any event, all this seems to have impressed the 80 or so clueless commenters on your youtube clip. But it won’t impress serious people.

Climate change is a serious issue. Depending on your perspective and values, there will be much future loss and damage from either climate change itself, or from the policies designed to prevent climate change. Conflicts surrounding climate change have been exacerbated by oversimplifying both the problem and its solutions. And from mischaracterizing the risks from climate change.

Constructively working with your Republican colleagues is essential for accomplishing anything that could help reduce our vulnerability to extreme weather events and the slow creep of warming. A good start would be to provide some modicum of respect towards witnesses invited by Republicans and carefully considering the arguments made in their testimony. Hearings are an opportunity for Senators to actually learn things from the expert witnesses."

847badgerfan · « **Reply #7669 on:** May 29, 2023, 12:12:08 PM »

The earth has warmed.

But:

We don't really know why.

But:

We have to do something.

But:

We don't know what to do.

But:

Print Money.

Rinse and repeat.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #7670 on:** May 29, 2023, 09:30:11 PM »

Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 29, 2023, 12:12:08 PM

The earth has warmed.

But:

We don't really know why.

But:

We have to do something.

But:

We don't know what to do.

But:

Print Money.

Rinse and repeat.

This is all mostly wrong.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #7671 on:** May 29, 2023, 09:31:57 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on May 29, 2023, 08:11:54 AM

Only politics could inspire a childless man like Fro to care what happens to the world after he dies.

Because a person should only care about their offspring?

You'll forever be less ethical that I could ever be. Praise the lord!

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