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Topic: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7630 on: May 28, 2023, 12:07:23 PM »
nothing more sturdier is being offered by the "experts"

It is pointed out that co2 has increased by 120 ppm due to man and its also getting warmer so this increase must be the reason
Which scientific papers are you referring to when you say "experts"? 


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7631 on: May 28, 2023, 12:27:24 PM »
Which scientific papers are you referring to when you say "experts"?


am I wrong?

experts arent saying a warming increase is caused by an additional 120 ppm of co2 which is caused by man?
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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7632 on: May 28, 2023, 01:12:02 PM »
am I wrong?

experts arent saying a warming increase is caused by an additional 120 ppm of co2 which is caused by man?

No, but let's pick apart your statement...

nothing more sturdier is being offered

You're ignoring decades-worth of climate science here by saying nothing sturdy is being offered. I'm implying that you've clearly not even looked at any of the science.

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by the "experts"

Using quotes around the word experts is a common way of saying that you don't believe they're experts at all. It's dismissing them out of hand.

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It is pointed out that co2 has increased by 120 ppm due to man and its also getting warmer so this increase must be the reason

Again, ignoring that there are decades of climate science that not only explain the causal relationship between CO2, the greenhouse effect, and warming.

You're implying that the experts merely saw a correlation between two things and assign one to be the cause of the other, without rigorous study.

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You're sticking your head in the sand and wondering why it's so dark... 

longhorn320

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7633 on: May 28, 2023, 02:52:28 PM »


You're implying that the experts merely saw a correlation between two things and assign one to be the cause of the other, without rigorous study.

Yes thats what Im saying

in short I dont care how many years of data they have I dont think an increase of 120 ppm is causing the majority of global warming


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7634 on: May 28, 2023, 04:11:12 PM »
320, serious question...

When you go to the doctor and the doctor prescribes a medicine, and then you pick up the medicine from the pharmacy, do you base your belief on how effective that medicine will be based on the size of the pill? 

Because that would explain a lot. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7635 on: May 28, 2023, 05:01:51 PM »
320, serious question...

When you go to the doctor and the doctor prescribes a medicine, and then you pick up the medicine from the pharmacy, do you base your belief on how effective that medicine will be based on the size of the pill?

Because that would explain a lot.
typical strategy when losing an arguement personal attacks


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7636 on: May 28, 2023, 07:04:14 PM »
Do you think the preindustrial level of 280 ppm CO2 had an effect on our climate?

That isn't much either.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7637 on: May 28, 2023, 07:15:23 PM »
Do you think the preindustrial level of 280 ppm CO2 had an effect on our climate?

That isn't much either.
probably the question is how much
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7638 on: May 28, 2023, 07:34:47 PM »
typical strategy when losing an arguement personal attacks


https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/666002/21b43e1b155051227ef2981acd52c254/19-16-292-C-Corbyn-data.pdf
I find people begin personal attacks once reasoned, supported information is tossed aside immediately.
Like what you do, with facts that show you're wrong.
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« Reply #7639 on: May 28, 2023, 07:42:44 PM »
Global temps have been mostly consistent the past few thousand years, sometimes trending slightly up and sometimes slightly down, within half a degree (C), when suddenly, beginning around the same time as the industrial revolution, it starts to jump up like a bat out of hell 1.0-1.5 degrees in an extremely brief amount of time.
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Now yes, that could be a coincidence, but it's unlikely to be such a coincidence. 
You could make the argument that the temp increase could be a normal rise, as the temp has ebbed and flowed up and down that much and more over millions of years.  And it has.  BUT NOT IN SUCH A SHORT TIME.
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So a logical person (or dare-say an expert) can look at the sudden rise being in lockstep with humans beginning to heavily burn fossil fuels AND this radical increase occurring over 150 years instead of 15,000 years and conclude, prudently, that people have had something to do with it.
I don't get why this is so hard and some people want to resist what's right there in front of their faces.  When if was something more benign for them and didn't interfere with their tribe's ideology, they'd otherwise acknowledge the point.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7640 on: May 28, 2023, 07:47:23 PM »


Fro's post looks awfully plagiarized. 

That's not his usual posting style at all. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7641 on: May 28, 2023, 08:12:08 PM »
Global temps have been mostly consistent the past few thousand years, sometimes trending slightly up and sometimes slightly down, within half a degree (C), when suddenly, beginning around the same time as the industrial revolution, it starts to jump up like a bat out of hell 1.0-1.5 degrees in an extremely brief amount of time.
.
Now yes, that could be a coincidence, but it's unlikely to be such a coincidence. 
You could make the argument that the temp increase could be a normal rise, as the temp has ebbed and flowed up and down that much and more over millions of years.  And it has.  BUT NOT IN SUCH A SHORT TIME.
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So a logical person (or dare-say an expert) can look at the sudden rise being in lockstep with humans beginning to heavily burn fossil fuels AND this radical increase occurring over 150 years instead of 15,000 years and conclude, prudently, that people have had something to do with it.
I don't get why this is so hard and some people want to resist what's right there in front of their faces.  When if was something more benign for them and didn't interfere with their tribe's ideology, they'd otherwise acknowledge the point.

same logic as in the summer there is more violent crime and also in the summer ice cream sales are higher so it follows that ice cream causes violent crime

Im not questioning the fact that there is slight warming only that 120 ppm is the cause
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7642 on: May 28, 2023, 08:20:53 PM »

I don't get why this is so hard and some people want to resist what's right there in front of their faces.  When if was something more benign for them and didn't interfere with their tribe's ideology, they'd otherwise acknowledge the point.

My skepticism is not political at all.  Im just not going to consent to having my life style changed just because folks believe that an increase in co2 of 120 ppm is the main cause of global warming


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7643 on: May 28, 2023, 10:30:24 PM »

Fro's post looks awfully plagiarized.

That's not his usual posting style at all.
type it into google, dickhead 

I won't bother waiting for an apology.
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