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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7574 on: May 10, 2023, 12:53:23 PM »
Microsoft agrees to buy power from Sam Altman-backed Helion in 2028 (cnbc.com)

Is this real in the sense it could happen?  Color me dubious.  Love it to happen though.

Broadly speaking, Helion’s approach involves shooting plasma (the fourth state of matter after solid, liquid and gas) from both ends of the device at a velocity greater than one million miles per hour. The two streams smash into each other, creating a superhot dense plasma, where fusion occurs.
Helion is currently building its seventh-generation fusion machine, named Polaris, which it aims to produce electricity with by next year, Kirtley told CNBC.
“We’re not here to build systems in a lab. We’re here to sell electricity. This is always been the dream,” Altman told CNBC.
So far, Helion has been able to generate energy with its fusion prototypes, but it has not yet built a device that creates more electricity than it uses to run the fusion device. So the firm has a lot of work ahead.
Yeah, as I've mentioned before I've seen a lot of technologies that are demonstrated in a lab but can't scale. In my own industry I heard tape was dead 30 years ago (it's still going strong), that HDD was dead 10 years ago (line of sight shows no signs of its demise), and now I'm constantly hearing about all the technologies being demonstrated in the lab that will kill NAND flash--but none have made it out of the lab. 

It's what worries me about that Salton Sea / lithium post I made upthread. It might be real, or it might be something that's only feasible "in the lab" and can't scale. 

However, I certainly don't want to dissuade people from continuing to try to make this stuff work. Most will fail, but if any of them succeed, it makes the world a better place. 

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« Reply #7575 on: May 10, 2023, 12:56:34 PM »
I worked for over a decade on one such technology.  It finally did go commercial on a scale less than what was envisioned.  A major problem we had was have priorities shifted by upper management way too often.  It had some massive problems, most of which were somewhat solved, but what happened really was the criteria for success were just reduced to a point it could be made at some scale.  I am pretty sure the stuff they made wasn't very close to the actual performance specs for the material.

They would not let me check.  Ha.

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« Reply #7576 on: May 10, 2023, 02:32:33 PM »
still hoping for a breakthrough
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« Reply #7577 on: May 11, 2023, 01:02:47 PM »
Yeah, as I've mentioned before I've seen a lot of technologies that are demonstrated in a lab but can't scale. In my own industry I heard tape was dead 30 years ago (it's still going strong), that HDD was dead 10 years ago (line of sight shows no signs of its demise), and now I'm constantly hearing about all the technologies being demonstrated in the lab that will kill NAND flash--but none have made it out of the lab.

It's what worries me about that Salton Sea / lithium post I made upthread. It might be real, or it might be something that's only feasible "in the lab" and can't scale.

However, I certainly don't want to dissuade people from continuing to try to make this stuff work. Most will fail, but if any of them succeed, it makes the world a better place.

Did I ever tell you that my first job at my current employer was managing our tape product lines?  People didn't believe me then, and don't believe me now, when I tell them that tape still not only exists but thrives.

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« Reply #7579 on: May 11, 2023, 03:33:11 PM »
Carbon dioxide from coal and gas power plants would be reduced under new rules : NPR

Seems impracticable to me ...
Also, in all that word salad, no mention is made of what it will do to electricity costs. 

The closest they came is saying the carbon capture technologies have been too expensive in the past but are now more affordable. How much more?? B/C it's going to be us consumers paying for it. 

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« Reply #7580 on: May 11, 2023, 03:34:36 PM »
I suspect it's for show, knowing it'll be in the courts, and probably modified in time anyway.  It's silly, political pandering.

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They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

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« Reply #7583 on: May 11, 2023, 04:36:36 PM »
I'm sure one can find the same story elsewhere if one thinks this one is somehow flawed or fabricated.  Of course, it's easier to dismiss a report one might not like or want to believe by impugning the source without reading the articles... I mean, these are probably all "liberal" rags of no account making up data from nothing ...

Scientists Are Alarmed as Sea Surface Temperatures Hit Uncharted Territory : ScienceAlert

Recent, rapid ocean warming ahead of El Niño alarms scientists - BBC News

Scientists sound alarm as ocean temperatures hit new record (phys.org)

Why are our oceans getting warmer? (nationalgeographic.com)

Ocean-surface temperatures are breaking records | The Economist

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« Reply #7584 on: May 11, 2023, 05:04:30 PM »
Thats much better
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7585 on: May 11, 2023, 05:14:05 PM »
The Eastern Pacific ocean is cooling not warming

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« Reply #7586 on: May 11, 2023, 05:22:05 PM »
'Alarming' Study Claiming Global Warming Heating Up Oceans Based on Math Error (freebeacon.com)
'Alarming' Study Claiming Global Warming Heating Up Oceans Based on Math Error (freebeacon.com)

This is from 2018.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7587 on: May 11, 2023, 07:13:40 PM »
I'm not alarmed, but I live in Iowa
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