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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7504 on: April 27, 2023, 09:15:37 AM »
My wife will take it at 62. 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7505 on: April 27, 2023, 09:50:49 AM »
In short, I think we will see a 1 foot sea level rise by 2050 with no economic impact. 

Social impacts are already being felt, as stated earlier.

By 2100, I can see 3 feet. 

Economic impacts will vary by city/state/country. 

In this country, codes and regulations will have the greatest impact, as any new construction will have to be at or above 10 feet (current code). Most of Miami would be unbuildable, for example. Same goes for Boston.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7506 on: April 27, 2023, 09:54:16 AM »
2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report (noaa.gov)

 About 2 feet (0.6 meters) of sea level rise along the U.S. coastline is increasingly likely between 2020 and 2100 because of emissions to date. Failing to curb future emissions could cause an additional 1.5 - 5 feet (0.5 - 1.5 meters) of rise for a total of 3.5 - 7 feet (1.1 - 2.1 meters) by the end of this century.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7507 on: April 27, 2023, 09:56:34 AM »
There is a drastic scenario, considered by most to be unlikely, where the tundra "melts" and releases a hoard of CO2 and things spiral out of control.  The Greenland ice sheet substantially melts away, same with Antarctic to some extent.  All that would get pretty bad.

And, there isn't anything we can do about it today.  It's too late.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7508 on: April 27, 2023, 09:57:15 AM »
perhaps New Orleans will be moved above sea level after all

nah, build taller dikes!
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7509 on: April 27, 2023, 09:58:11 AM »
My understanding is that NO used to flood routinely and deposited sand etc. to keep it above sea level.  

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7510 on: April 27, 2023, 10:05:29 AM »
Terrifying Sea-Level Prediction for 2100 Now Seems Unlikely - The Atlantic

If every country meets its current commitment under the Paris Agreement, the Earth will warm about 2.7 degrees Celsius by the end of the century compared with its pre-industrial average. In their new research, DeConto and his colleagues say that there’s a tipping point, somewhere between 2 and 3 degrees Celsius of temperature rise, after which the West Antarctic Ice Sheet will slip into rapid and shattering collapse.
Read: A radical new scheme to prevent catastrophic sea-level rise
Their new research also raises the marginal risk of disaster. Officially, the Paris Agreement aims to keep global warming from exceeding 2 degrees Celsius, though many experts consider that goal fanciful. And even in that extremely optimistic scenario, West Antarctica still switches into unavoidable collapse about 10 percent of the time, according to the new research.



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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7511 on: April 27, 2023, 10:06:42 AM »
CO2 levels are going to continue rising for decades, barring something entirely unexpected.  With a LOT of money, the rise could be slightly less than otherwise (assuming China and India "buy" in).

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7512 on: April 27, 2023, 11:15:35 AM »
New Orleans would definitely be screwed with a 3 foot rise. Look at the area around Mobile 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7513 on: April 27, 2023, 11:28:28 AM »
so, if & when this happens....... it displaces people, but is that such a big deal???

yes, it's expensive, but so is 37 trillion a year to combat climate change
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7514 on: April 27, 2023, 11:30:48 AM »
so, if & when this happens....... it displaces people, but is that such a big deal???

yes, it's expensive, but so is 37 trillion a year to combat climate change
This is kinda where I'm at.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7515 on: April 27, 2023, 11:34:57 AM »
Th US legislation allocated $370 BILLION over ten years, which realistically is a drop in that particular bucket, but it may make some folks feel better about it.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7516 on: April 27, 2023, 11:39:34 AM »
Th US legislation allocated $370 BILLION over ten years, which realistically is a drop in that particular bucket, but it may make some folks feel better about it.



I suspect that environmentally-focused businesses with CEOs who are friends of politicians will make out nicely, and nothing much else will change.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7517 on: April 27, 2023, 11:41:30 AM »
Sure, there was money for EV tax credits of course, and chargers galore, and tax breaks for wind and solar.  Buried in it also was a part allowing the EPA to regulate CO2 emissions, something which could hurt folks in a few years.

And yes, the "connected" will come out nicely ahead with favored contracts, only Unon workers, etc.

 

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