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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7490 on: April 26, 2023, 04:18:08 PM »
I think best case is 1.5C and worst case is 3C.

I just think 2 1/2C really won't change the earth that much.
not as much as some predict

I suppose I can do some research and look it up, but I'm guessing the earth is 1C warmer now than it was 200 years ago.
I don't think things have changed too awful much

well, the dust bowl was pretty awful
So if I paraphrase...

Your position is that the best case scenario isn't all that much different from today, and even the worst case scenario is not going to have serious effects that we really need to worry about from a wider societal perspective? I.e. that it's essentially a nothingburger? 

Note that I'm not trying to argue with you (and don't intend to argue anyone's response; I asked this question to learn what others think). Just asking if my restatement above is reasonably consistent with your thoughts? 

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7491 on: April 26, 2023, 04:55:33 PM »
This is why folks now like to attribute extreme weather to climate change.  We've had, according to experts, 1.1°C so far, and it "seems" pretty normal to most.  (Warming near the poles is said to be greater.)  So another degree wouldn't necessarily be so awful.  I can see that line of thinking and partially agree with it.  I think more warming from here gradually starts to make things worse overall (not in every case, but in more than not).

The "good thing" here is there really is no chance, at all, "we" can alter this path, none, zero (beyond MAYBE a tenth or two, MAYBE).  So we'll all find out in 40 years or so.

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« Reply #7492 on: April 26, 2023, 04:58:33 PM »
yes sir, your restatement above is reasonably consistent with my thoughts.

CO2 from fossil fuels is causing some small warming, but...... the sky isn't falling
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7493 on: April 26, 2023, 10:27:53 PM »
Here is a very different viewpoint on co2 and climate change

Im not endorsing nor condemning this guy but presenting it just to show another view



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlmFr4FMvI
« Last Edit: April 26, 2023, 10:33:11 PM by longhorn320 »
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« Reply #7494 on: April 26, 2023, 10:30:55 PM »

Im not endorsing nor condemning this guy but presenting it just to show another view
riiiight
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7495 on: April 26, 2023, 10:34:47 PM »
riiiight
I think its important to know that not every scientist is a co2 alarmist
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7497 on: April 27, 2023, 07:58:13 AM »
The "amusing" thing to me is how Judith Curry gets demonized as a "denier" (which she absolutely isn't).  Anyone not in lock step with "the message" gets shipped to a gulag, in effect.

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« Reply #7498 on: April 27, 2023, 08:03:41 AM »
The "amusing" thing to me is how Judith Curry gets demonized as a "denier" (which she absolutely isn't).  Anyone not in lock step with "the message" gets shipped to a gulag, in effect.
That is the social aspect of this thing. It's been happening for years and it's only going to get worse.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7499 on: April 27, 2023, 08:35:08 AM »
I don't see many individualists out there who don't "have a team", either lib or con (in short).  If you are either, you pretty much toe the line down the line on every issue.  You won't find many libs saying climate change is not that bad, nor cons saying it is.  The same is true for every other issue, I think.  A few folks have cross views on issues, not many, other than perhaps around here.

The folks I got to know well enough to have some knowledge of their POVs on things in Cincy often had more nuanced views, I think.  But there weren't many.  I'd overhear some convo in my wine group at times and they were mostly hard liberals with a couple exceptions, which was fine with me.  Some of their views expressed to me on guns were ... well, difficult to straighten out with facts, they did not like facts.

At all.  One came to me later wanting to write a letter to our congressman and I tried to help (email) but the letter she sent had none of my "corrections", facts like how most gun crime is committed with pistols.  It's not debatable, it's a fact, she botched it, not lined up with her world view.

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« Reply #7500 on: April 27, 2023, 08:45:24 AM »
Obviously, I'm a "con" as you put it. By definition, that means I don't like wasteful spending.

As for climate change, I'm aware. I don't know if it's good or bad. I'm guessing when I say this: 1.5 degrees is where I'm at.

Many moons ago I learned that there are some things you just cannot control, and I think this is one of those things.

One other thing I do know is that this "movement" is destroying our country. 

The USA has handcuffed itself with this thing. Same with Europe. 

China laughs as it builds more coal plants at blinding speed.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7501 on: April 27, 2023, 08:52:58 AM »
Some of my coworkers described themselves as fiscally conservative and socially liberal.  That's a bit broad of course, but could describe some folks here who have "mixed views" on issues.  If I could wave a wand and stop anyone from emitting CO2 in generating energy, I would, but I obviously don't think that's possible no matter what (practically speaking).  I think it's not good, but it's going to happen.  We can "throw money at it" and not make a dent anyone can measure.

The Germans just shut down their last three nuclear reactors which were running fine.  California did keep Diablo Canyon on line for a while, and that is much more risky considering its location.

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« Reply #7502 on: April 27, 2023, 08:56:25 AM »
Some of my coworkers described themselves as fiscally conservative and socially liberal.  That's a bit broad of course, but could describe some folks here who have "mixed views" on issues.  If I could wave a wand and stop anyone from emitting CO2 in generating energy, I would, but I obviously don't think that's possible no matter what (practically speaking).  I think it's not good, but it's going to happen.  We can "throw money at it" and not make a dent anyone can measure.

The Germans just shut down their last three nuclear reactors which were running fine.  California did keep Diablo Canyon on line for a while, and that is much more risky considering its location.
That used to be me, giving money away for good causes, until the wife retired. Fixed income with no COLA. Big pay cut with inflation as it is.
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« Reply #7503 on: April 27, 2023, 09:05:23 AM »
When I retired, I used an investment company for three years, which turned out to have been a very good decision.  I watched what they did and asked a lot of questions and learned a few things (I hope).  One thing they set me up with is a charitable donor fund.  This was useful because I basically had double my salary my last year working so taxes were not going to be fun, and I had some appreciated stock I could donate.  So, I predonated a chunk which mostly is still there and I now donate out of that.  With the ability to deduct donations now basically gone, it's a huge thing for me.  If anyone finds themselves in a situation with a lot of income in a year, consider doing this.

I started taking SS at 66 after running some numbers on it.  That does have a COLA of course, to an extent.  I guess after all the years I paid FICA taxes I don't feel bad about taking it.  If CONGRESS and a PRESIDENT had any guts, they'd have made changes long ago to ensure the fund doesn't run dry in 2033 or whenever.

Anyway, we're now throwing money at the climate thing and the result will be so tiny no one could possibly measure it.  Nobody even asks the question "How much will this $37 billion a year cut CO2 emissions?".  I guess some know the answer.

 

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