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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7042 on: February 28, 2023, 07:05:23 AM »
Not only that, but quarter-sized hail?

Still not snow...
No snow, we didn't get any hail where I am, though my trash cans all blew into the neighbor's yard. His problem now...

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7043 on: March 06, 2023, 08:29:02 AM »

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7044 on: March 06, 2023, 08:31:37 AM »
The fourth project listed at the outset may be the hardest. It is clear from the public debate that the citizenry has no idea of the scale of the task of a transition to a net-zero emissions economy in 30 years. This is not only a matter of the costs, human resources and materials, but also the disturbance to everyday lifestyles as the target is approached. Opinion polls indicate that few are willing, let alone able, to pay more than very modest sums, and certainly nothing like that implied by the figure of well over $300,000 per household set out above (for electrical and retrofit actions). Worse, there will be no measurable difference in the future climate as a result of all the spending and hardship in the UK. To make a difference we would need the rest of the world, and in particular the developing world, to come on board. Poorer nations, such as India and the countries of South Asia, the Middle East and Africa, would need financial help to do so. If we assume that Europe and North America are to underwrite the rest of the world’s net-zero activities, then the costs to the UK could rise by a factor of 4.5, assuming the same per capita spend globally.  The resulting cost of getting to the global target then rises to nearly $1.5M per household, and $200T for the whole of the USA, which is a fantasy in practical terms.

By all commonly understood value-for-money measures, climate mitigation exercises simply do not add up. For homes, the $300,000 per household would be recouped almost 100 years (at today’s cost of energy), far longer than any sensible investor would tolerate. Indeed, we would require a command economy during the period to 2050 to secure the finance, skilled workforce, and the materials needed to reach the target. Further, from where we are today, it is not clear how this public acceptance can be achieved on the timescale required.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7045 on: March 08, 2023, 09:40:08 AM »
Climate Uncertainty & Risk: the presentation | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)
Climate Uncertainty & Risk: the presentation | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)

The climate “crisis” isn’t what it used to be. Circa 2013 with publication of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, the extreme emissions scenario RCP8.5 was regarded as the business-as-usual emissions scenario, with expected warming of 4 to 5 oC by 2100. Now there is growing acceptance that RCP8.5 is implausible, and RCP4.5 is arguably the current business-as-usual emissions scenario according to recent reports issued by the COP 26 and 27. Only a few years ago, an emissions trajectory that followed RCP4.5 with 2 to 3 oC warming was regarded as climate policy success. As limiting warming to 2 oC seems to be in reach, the goal posts were moved in 2018 to reduce the warming target to 1.5 oC.

Climate catastrophe rhetoric now seems linked to extreme weather events. For nearly all of these events, it is difficult to identify any role for human-caused climate change in increasing either their intensity or frequency.


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« Reply #7046 on: March 08, 2023, 10:05:49 AM »
Climate Uncertainty & Risk: the presentation | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)
Climate Uncertainty & Risk: the presentation | Climate Etc. (judithcurry.com)

The climate “crisis” isn’t what it used to be. Circa 2013 with publication of the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report, the extreme emissions scenario RCP8.5 was regarded as the business-as-usual emissions scenario, with expected warming of 4 to 5 oC by 2100. Now there is growing acceptance that RCP8.5 is implausible, and RCP4.5 is arguably the current business-as-usual emissions scenario according to recent reports issued by the COP 26 and 27. Only a few years ago, an emissions trajectory that followed RCP4.5 with 2 to 3 oC warming was regarded as climate policy success. As limiting warming to 2 oC seems to be in reach, the goal posts were moved in 2018 to reduce the warming target to 1.5 oC.

Climate catastrophe rhetoric now seems linked to extreme weather events. For nearly all of these events, it is difficult to identify any role for human-caused climate change in increasing either their intensity or frequency.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7047 on: March 08, 2023, 11:01:00 AM »
I really do wonder how this will be perceived circa 2050.  My GUESS is some folks will claim victory even though CO2 levels kept rising.  Some will be wringing their hands predicting imminent catastrophe, and many will have largely forgotten it ever was an issue.

That may be more a hope than a prediction though.

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7048 on: March 10, 2023, 10:14:48 AM »
Been much colder/wetter in march so far definately getting february weather. Been high 20s with snow swirling on/off the last two days
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7049 on: March 10, 2023, 10:19:32 AM »
Definitely spring here, tulips, trees blooming and leafing out, no azaleas yet, really the most impressive time of year in early April here with the flowers.


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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7050 on: March 10, 2023, 11:17:55 AM »
we could use some local warming here

a few days in the 60s and the golf course will open!

Wednesday is forecast to get to 56, otherwise nothing over 43 the next ten days
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« Reply #7051 on: March 10, 2023, 11:24:28 AM »
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7052 on: March 10, 2023, 11:28:44 AM »
I assume your golf course is open
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7053 on: March 10, 2023, 11:36:09 AM »
It never closes, except during a hurricane.
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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7054 on: March 10, 2023, 04:33:04 PM »
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

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Re: Weather, Climate, Environment, and Energy
« Reply #7055 on: March 11, 2023, 09:25:55 AM »
That's called "skip a hole".
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