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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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SFBadger96

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« Reply #2730 on: Today at 12:13:32 PM »
Berkley should either disband football altogether, or join a conference with closer affiliates.  I'm thinking maybe a couple of schools in LA, a couple of schools in Oregon, a couple of schools in Washington.  Maybe even a couple of schools in Arizona?
Truthfully, some mountain states might align more culturally than Arizona schools, but the concept seems solid. Allegedly, there is even a natural rival about 30 miles away from Cal as the crow flies. But they are a smaller, private school that, while also having a football program, seems more interested in other, cheaper sports.

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« Reply #2731 on: Today at 12:29:47 PM »
I remember going to a football watch event on Balboa Island in Newport. There were probably 500 Badger fans there.
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« Reply #2732 on: Today at 12:35:57 PM »
Truthfully, some mountain states might align more culturally than Arizona schools, but the concept seems solid. Allegedly, there is even a natural rival about 30 miles away from Cal as the crow flies. But they are a smaller, private school that, while also having a football program, seems more interested in other, cheaper sports.
Well THAT school is already in the same far-flung conference, but I don't think it's helping matters much.

Maybe Berkley and Stanford could save some money by making arrangements to always play away-games in the ACC on the same day, as close together geographically as possible, and split the cost of the plane ride ?  They could both fly out to North Carolina and one plays Duke while the other plays UNC?  The next year one plays Wake while the other plays NCSU?  A couple of weekends later fly to somewhere in between UVA and VaTech and cover those two?  FSU and Miami aren't particularly close, but the point here is to save money.

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« Reply #2733 on: Today at 12:39:29 PM »
They would be best served to reunite with OrSU and WSU in the new PAC.
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« Reply #2734 on: Today at 12:49:48 PM »
I have no idea if this is even close to true, but is the University of California the problem? Had it invested in football at UCLA and Cal, that very well might have created a better environment for a more lucrative Pacific Coast football conference media deal. UCLA's part in this is interesting. They got to come along to the Big Ten with USC to get the big money, but UCLA still doesn't really invest in football, and hasn't since the 90s (effectively, since the cost of investing in football escalated). They are banking on their rivalry with USC to feed them (and they have more to offer in basketball than the other Pacific Coast schools). But what if the Regents and/or Boards of those two UCs actually committed to football. Bringing in better recruits, better facilities for a better fan experience, and recharging the rivalries in the traditional Pacific Coast conference might have led to hanging on to the big three money makers (plus UCLA). 

In a year or two, when everyone's athletes are worn down from the travel, could revitalized football programs generate enough economic interest to lure the carpetbaggers back?

Probably all academic. As I said, I think Stanford and Cal are banking on further realignment.

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« Reply #2735 on: Today at 01:14:13 PM »
I have no idea if this is even close to true, but is the University of California the problem? Had it invested in football at UCLA and Cal, that very well might have created a better environment for a more lucrative Pacific Coast football conference media deal. UCLA's part in this is interesting. They got to come along to the Big Ten with USC to get the big money, but UCLA still doesn't really invest in football, and hasn't since the 90s (effectively, since the cost of investing in football escalated). They are banking on their rivalry with USC to feed them (and they have more to offer in basketball than the other Pacific Coast schools). But what if the Regents and/or Boards of those two UCs actually committed to football. Bringing in better recruits, better facilities for a better fan experience, and recharging the rivalries in the traditional Pacific Coast conference might have led to hanging on to the big three money makers (plus UCLA).

In a year or two, when everyone's athletes are worn down from the travel, could revitalized football programs generate enough economic interest to lure the carpetbaggers back?

Probably all academic. As I said, I think Stanford and Cal are banking on further realignment.
I'm not sure it's necessarily a problem that's easily solved at all. Generally, Californians don't care about college football. 

  • Close to 40% of California's population were born in another state or country. Those aren't going to be natural Cal/UCLA fans. (I point out that many of these might be exceptions to the "don't care about college football" rule, but they sure don't care about Cal/UCLA.) 
  • Racial demographics are a little more thorny, but if we assume that there might be slightly less interest in football from Latinos (who may prefer futbol) and Asians (who I've not found to be overly CFB-centric), they make up a combined 56% of California's population. 
  • California has a massive university system between the UC and the Cal State systems. Which means that not a lot of people in the state actually ATTEND Cal/UCLA. I suspect that a number of those people who attended other schools gravitate to rooting for one of the big 4 programs in the state when it comes to football, but that is bandwagon fandom. I see it down here in SoCal. People root for USC when they're good at football and UCLA when they're good at basketball, and then on years where they're not... Nobody cares. 
  • Both Cal and UCLA are in geographies with significant NFL and NBA presences. SoCal has 2 NFL and 2 NBA teams, and the Bay has one NFL and one NBA team. And those pro teams are mostly pretty darn good right now. So they can take on the "sports fandom" that maybe in the past would have bled over to CFB, particularly during the stretch when the LA area had zero NFL teams. 
  • In California, there's is PLENTY to do other than go to a football game. It's one thing to go support your team as an on-campus student (or an in-area alumni) if the city veritably revolves around the CFB game every home weekend. It's another when the CFB game is just one more event in a megalopolis full of massive alternative entertainment choices every weekend. 

I don't know if investing in the sport will be enough to overcome any of that. Granted, it's a big enough state that it only takes a much smaller percentage of the population when the population is so large... But it's just not a cultural thing here to be THAT into college football. 


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« Reply #2736 on: Today at 01:31:34 PM »
I have no idea if this is even close to true, but is the University of California the problem? Had it invested in football at UCLA and Cal, that very well might have created a better environment for a more lucrative Pacific Coast football conference media deal. UCLA's part in this is interesting. They got to come along to the Big Ten with USC to get the big money, but UCLA still doesn't really invest in football, and hasn't since the 90s (effectively, since the cost of investing in football escalated). They are banking on their rivalry with USC to feed them (and they have more to offer in basketball than the other Pacific Coast schools). But what if the Regents and/or Boards of those two UCs actually committed to football. Bringing in better recruits, better facilities for a better fan experience, and recharging the rivalries in the traditional Pacific Coast conference might have led to hanging on to the big three money makers (plus UCLA).

In a year or two, when everyone's athletes are worn down from the travel, could revitalized football programs generate enough economic interest to lure the carpetbaggers back?

Probably all academic. As I said, I think Stanford and Cal are banking on further realignment.
Where do they think they are gonna go?

The XII said no. B1G said no. Forget the SEC.

They are either a) stuck travelling to the Atlantic coast b) go back to the PAC c) relocate their campuses to North Carolina.
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« Reply #2737 on: Today at 02:31:47 PM »
I suspect that they don't believe realignment is over, and they probably think that the media landscape (specifically ESPN's deal with the ACC) could change a great deal in the next few years, which could lead to a better situation for them. It may be wishful thinking, but there is still plenty of rumbling that the Big Ten and SEC aren't playing well with each other as they are trying to control college football, and that there could be further fallout from that.

I doubt it, but it's possible.

Stanford could always buy its way out. While its endowment isn't quite at Harvard's level, it is plenty big enough (and Stanford has the alumni network to support) to allow the university to do what it wants. But one way it has such a big endowment is that it doesn't typically spend money on things like this.

Cal doesn't have that luxury.

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« Reply #2738 on: Today at 02:43:45 PM »
I suspect that they don't believe realignment is over
Who does? 

IMHO signing on with the ACC was simply to make sure they've got a seat at the big boy table when the next round--the round that probably eliminates these "conferences" entirely and goes to a super league--occurs. They still might get left out in the cold (as might even long-term power conference members like Purdue, IU, Northwestern, Vandy, Kansas State, Miss State, Kentucky, Wake, Duke, etc), but they would DEFINITELY get left out in the cold if they were part of what the new PAC has become. 

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« Reply #2739 on: Today at 02:45:09 PM »
nuttin gonna save Stanford & Cal - not enuff TV Eyeballs to pay the bills
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« Reply #2740 on: Today at 02:57:30 PM »
nuttin gonna save Stanford & Cal - not enuff TV Eyeballs to pay the bills
Eh. If we get down to some 30-40 team super league, they might be screwed. Although as we all know, TV markets are sometimes as important as TV draw, and they do bring the Bay Area market. 

But if we get to some 60-72 team super league like SFBadger is throwing around, it's a lot more important for Cal/Stan to be sitting in the ACC when that happens than in the new PAC. 

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« Reply #2741 on: Today at 03:06:52 PM »
60-77 teams, I hope they make it.

It'll help if they have the revenue and you're right, the ACC can provide most of that
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« Reply #2742 on: Today at 03:07:08 PM »
It was definitely the best move for Stanford.

I'm not sure there's any winning move for Berkley.  That stadium renovation debt has put them so far in a hole, it seems likely there's no way for them to claw out of it.  Unless they can find some mega-billionaire to just write a check to cover the whole thing.

But, if they could do that, then they already would have.

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« Reply #2743 on: Today at 03:39:54 PM »
To be perfectly honest, I preferred Stanford over UCLA if the B1G was insistent on taking CA PAC schools. 

Different city, still a USC rival. It would have been much better IMO. There are tons of Big Ten Alumni in the Bay Area. Probably even more than are in the LA area, by percentage.

Both UC's could have went to the ACC to rot for all I care. 
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