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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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Mdot21

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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1106 on: March 11, 2024, 02:10:45 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 11, 2024, 01:45:18 PM
The lawsuits must appear first.  Not sure how they're going to be worded in a way that makes them appear meritorious.

If players DO attempt to make the case that they're employees, then it's going to be pretty sticky for a court to attempt to mandate how much of the profits the employer is forced to share with the employees.  Especially since the volleyball players and the soccer players would also have to be considered employees as well under those circumstances.
The NLRB ruled a month ago that Dartmouth basketball players could unionize if they wish. Dartmouth is appealing that ruling and it could take years and possibly get all the way to the supreme court. it's an initial step, but first domino to fall. have a feeling the courts will side with the players and against the schools/ncaa as they have in almost every case. 

The courts won't have to decide how much profits the employer is forced to share with the employees. The college football player unions that are coming down the pike will collective bargain that and demand a greater share and then get a much greater share then they do now. this will cause a chain reaction and domino to cut back on other sports programs imo.
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1107 on: March 11, 2024, 02:14:05 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 11, 2024, 02:10:45 PM
The NLRB ruled a month ago that Dartmouth basketball players could unionize if they wish. Dartmouth is appealing that ruling and it could take years and possibly get all the way to the supreme court. it's an initial step, but first domino to fall. have a feeling the courts will side with the players and against the schools/ncaa as they have in almost every case.

The courts won't have to decide how much profits the employer is forced to share with the employees. The college football player unions that are coming down the pike will collective bargain that and demand a greater share and then get a much greater share then they do now. this will cause a chain reaction and domino to cut back on other sports programs imo.
It would almost certainly cause many schools to opt out of the top division of football.  And I'm not talking about just the "undesirable" schools. 
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1108 on: March 11, 2024, 02:17:40 PM »
But honestly I think college football is going to implode even before then.  It's not on a sustainable path, and the administrators know it, which is why they're working right now to extract every bit of cash they can from the product, before the golden goose is dead.
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1109 on: March 11, 2024, 02:18:30 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 11, 2024, 01:45:18 PM
The lawsuits must appear first.  Not sure how they're going to be worded in a way that makes them appear meritorious.

If players DO attempt to make the case that they're employees, then it's going to be pretty sticky for a court to attempt to mandate how much of the profits the employer is forced to share with the employees.  Especially since the volleyball players and the soccer players would also have to be considered employees as well under those circumstances.


The basketball players at Dartmouth just got their court ruling, and organized into a union before the ink dried on the ruling.
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1110 on: March 11, 2024, 02:19:34 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 11, 2024, 01:12:44 PM
Judges decided women get equal number of scholarships

Judges decided NIL, so far
Title IX is federal legislation. NIL laws were initially state government legislation (haven't paid close attention to whether it's expanded from there). 

Now, it might be that judges who had cases before them having to APPLY those laws had a hand in the interpretation and set precedent. But both were spurred by legislation, not judges. 

Quote from: Mdot21 on March 11, 2024, 01:39:56 PM
don't forget...

judges decided how college football was shown on television.

and....

judges are about to decide on transfer eligibility rules...

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-joins-lawsuit-challenging-national-collegiate-athletics-associations-ncaa
If the previous television structure violated the Sherman Act, and a lawsuit was brought alleging anti-competitive price-fixing practices, and the judges applied the Sherman Act to college football, that's exactly what judges are employed to do. 

If there is a lawsuit alleging that current transfer eligibility rules violate a law, and a lawsuit is brought, it would be expected that judges would decide that too. Again, that's literally what judges are employed to do. 

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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1111 on: March 11, 2024, 02:33:16 PM »
Quote from: GopherRock on March 11, 2024, 02:18:30 PM
The basketball players at Dartmouth just got their court ruling, and organized into a union before the ink dried on the ruling.
Under appeal and far from decided though, correct?

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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1112 on: March 11, 2024, 02:39:53 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 11, 2024, 02:33:16 PM
Under appeal and far from decided though, correct?
correct. Dartmouth is appealing that decision and taking the NLRB to court. 
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1113 on: March 12, 2024, 12:43:58 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 11, 2024, 09:45:25 AM
Judges have a strong influence over these decisions
Yeah, so maybe stacking them one way or the other way isn't such a great idea.
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1114 on: March 12, 2024, 01:27:46 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2024, 12:43:58 PM
Yeah, so maybe stacking them one way or the other way isn't such a great idea.
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1115 on: March 12, 2024, 03:26:23 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on March 11, 2024, 02:17:40 PM
But honestly I think college football is going to implode even before then.  It's not on a sustainable path, and the administrators know it, which is why they're working right now to extract every bit of cash they can from the product, before the golden goose is dead.
it's 100000% unsustainable. the tv money ruined it. even in the 80s and 90s the tv money was miniscule. especially compared to what it is now. conferences were making millions. now they are making billions. once mickey mouse, nbc, cbs, fox injected billions of dollars into it- the vultures were bound to come out and the thing was bound to become a sh*t show- especially when the entire sport is devoid of leadership.
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1116 on: March 19, 2024, 01:24:13 PM »
Clemson Sues The Acc (rivals.com)

How much longer can that conference go?

The B1G would probably take at least 4 schools, probably 5 with Georgia Tech.

So, UNC, UVA, FSU, Miami and GT all want out as a result. Possibly Notre Dame?

Clemson wants out.

That's 7 including ND.

The SEC will take (in addition to Clemson) NCSU and VT.

That's 9. Can the remaining members even stop them?

Will Stanford and Cal bail and re-join the PAC, which could merge with the MWC?
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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1117 on: March 19, 2024, 01:34:12 PM »
So, to get to 24, the SEC would then need five more.

Do they hit the XII hard, and take Tech, WVU, Colorado, AZ and ASU? Or some other combo?

I doubt they would look at Cincy or Louisville, etc. Would UT and aTm want Tech at all (or TCU or Baylor for that matter)?

I guess it will be up to ESecPN to tell them who to take?
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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1118 on: March 19, 2024, 01:49:07 PM »
I actually think they'd take Cincy or Louisville over Tech or WVU
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Re: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.
« Reply #1119 on: March 19, 2024, 01:51:14 PM »
To get into more populus markets?

Do UL and Cincy have more fans than Tech and WVU?

WVU has a very passionate fanbase. That alone would be an SEC fit, no?
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