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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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847badgerfan

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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1078 on: March 08, 2024, 08:36:30 AM »
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1079 on: March 08, 2024, 08:40:40 AM »
I like it

gives this old man something to watch on Friday nights
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1080 on: March 08, 2024, 09:18:25 AM »
Friday = HS football
Saturday = NFL Light
Sunday = NFL
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1081 on: March 08, 2024, 09:40:47 AM »
No.

Both the SWC and the Big 8 were not economically viable when staring down the new television revenue contracts that the Big Ten and SEC were bringing in. 

That should sound familiar.
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1082 on: March 08, 2024, 10:30:24 AM »
Friday = HS football
Saturday = NFL Light
Sunday = NFL
I don't watch HS football
I only watch one NFL game on Sunday - I'd rather have an NFL Light game on Sunday to watch
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1083 on: March 08, 2024, 10:50:25 AM »
I don't watch HS football
I only watch one NFL game on Sunday - I'd rather have an NFL Light game on Sunday to watch
Just watch the Bears then.
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1084 on: March 08, 2024, 11:06:05 AM »
I do when they're matched up VS the Vikings
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1085 on: March 08, 2024, 11:37:33 AM »
Earlier this week on his podcast, Bill Simmons interviewed Casey Wasserman, owner of a large talent agency and CEO of the LA 2028 Olympic Organizing Committee. It was interesting to hear the perspective of the agents and the Olympic movement.

https://www.theringer.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/2024/3/6/24091964/boston-celtics-flop-best-oscars-story-lines-2028-olympics-fall-of-college-sports-casey-wasserman

-The sheer size of the Summer Olympics is humbling. LA2028 will be the largest gathering of humanity ever in peacetime, he compared it to 7 Super Bowls every day for 30 days.

-Basically, college football has unrestricted free agency, no salary cap, no contracts, and no ability for coaches to keep players longer than a year. Big Ten and SEC look a lot like the AFC and NFC and that's not by accident. Paying players as employees is a non-starter. Universities can't keep eating $100M or more a year on sports.

-The POV of the Olympic movement on college football wasn't clear at first, but it's tied in because most American Olympians are trained at universities at the expense of college football. 

-The big question does CFB become it's own entity, or does CFB monetize it's rights differently and use the money to fix the system? Wasserman sees that if CFB keeps all the money, college sports turn into Ivy League non-scholarship clubs, and no one wants that. Amateur sports is in a very tenuous place right now.

-Any solution to college sports involves federal legislation, and when Congress cant even agree on the time of day how do you think they'll fix this? 

-College football, even in it's current form, is much larger than either the music or motion picture business. 

Very interesting discussion.


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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1086 on: March 08, 2024, 03:43:16 PM »
-The POV of the Olympic movement on college football wasn't clear at first, but it's tied in because most American Olympians are trained at universities at the expense of college football.
This is especially true for women's sports because most other countries don't have a Title IX equivalent. Title IX forces universities to spend a lot of dollars subsidizing women's sports.

They say politics makes strange bedfellows and there might not be a more clear case of that than this issue where the people most in favor of Title IX are:
  • Radical far left feminists who basically think that people should be compelled to care as much about girl's and women's sports as they do about boy's and men's sports.
  • Sports crazy dads of girls who are generally a conservative voting block.


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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1087 on: March 09, 2024, 04:22:06 AM »
i don't see any problem with providing for an equal number of sports spots for girls.  The young lady playing field hockey is just as valid as a football player.

Now, it's very possible that fewer girls want to play sports as compared to boys, but things like Title IX exist due to things being unequal in the past.
If people won't behave ethically, then you must compel them to behave ethically.  
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1088 on: March 09, 2024, 04:31:21 AM »
How is one person somehow just as valid as another?  What does that even mean?  It’s about money. 

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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1089 on: March 09, 2024, 08:05:04 AM »
Now Title IX is ironically being used to wreck women's sports by allowing the Fros of the world to compete as women by simply pretending to be one. 
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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1090 on: March 09, 2024, 10:09:20 AM »
Earlier this week on his podcast, Bill Simmons interviewed Casey Wasserman, owner of a large talent agency and CEO of the LA 2028 Olympic Organizing Committee. It was interesting to hear the perspective of the agents and the Olympic movement.

https://www.theringer.com/the-bill-simmons-podcast/2024/3/6/24091964/boston-celtics-flop-best-oscars-story-lines-2028-olympics-fall-of-college-sports-casey-wasserman

-The sheer size of the Summer Olympics is humbling. LA2028 will be the largest gathering of humanity ever in peacetime, he compared it to 7 Super Bowls every day for 30 days.

-Basically, college football has unrestricted free agency, no salary cap, no contracts, and no ability for coaches to keep players longer than a year. Big Ten and SEC look a lot like the AFC and NFC and that's not by accident. Paying players as employees is a non-starter. Universities can't keep eating $100M or more a year on sports.

-The POV of the Olympic movement on college football wasn't clear at first, but it's tied in because most American Olympians are trained at universities at the expense of college football.

-The big question does CFB become it's own entity, or does CFB monetize it's rights differently and use the money to fix the system? Wasserman sees that if CFB keeps all the money, college sports turn into Ivy League non-scholarship clubs, and no one wants that. Amateur sports is in a very tenuous place right now.

-Any solution to college sports involves federal legislation, and when Congress cant even agree on the time of day how do you think they'll fix this?

-College football, even in it's current form, is much larger than either the music or motion picture business.

Very interesting discussion.




To the bit highlighted in red above-- I don't understand when people approach it this way, it's a wrong-headed notion.  "College football" isn't an entity.  It's the universities that are making the money off college football, aside from whatever the the conference league offices scrape off the top.

So it will be the universities themselves that will decide what sports they choose to fund with college football money.  Same as it is now.  And right now, most universities are happy and willing to support non-revenue sports.  I don't see that changing when even MORE money pours into college football.

But this IS precisely why we're unlikely to see paying players directly, and it's also why any potential breakaway is most likely going to be football-only. Because all the non-revenue sports are still going to need to be propped up and paid for and parked somewhere, and there's no point in tearing down the current institutions just to build something that looks exactly like them.  The cost-benefit doesn't make any sense.

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Re: The Death of College Football
« Reply #1091 on: March 09, 2024, 11:03:32 AM »
How is one person somehow just as valid as another?  What does that even mean?  It’s about money.
I could be wrong, but I thought Title IX had to do with equal number of spots for athletes, not equal spending. 
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