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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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LittlePig

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1008 on: September 01, 2023, 09:25:50 AM »
Yeah we talked about that but I don't believe it for a second.  If they saw enough value in the PAC to offer $30M in Fall of 2022, then they would see enough value in the PAC to offer $30M in the summer of 2023.  Occam's razor at play here.

The truth is evident in the ratings-- nobody was watching PAC football.  There simply was not $30M/school worth of value there after USC and UCLA split.

Honestly this "$30M/school turned down" story sounds more like rumor-mongering from outside parties in order to sow discontent and mistrust among the PAC presidents, to hasten along the destruction of that conference.
The key thing that changed in that time was the Big 12 signed a deal first for $31M each.  After that ESPN said it had limited space left for their inventory at $30M each.  Well actually as it turned out, ESPN still had room for 4 more at $30M each but not 10 more. Which is why 4 PAC schools defected to the Big 12.

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« Reply #1009 on: September 01, 2023, 09:30:50 AM »
The key thing that changed in that time was the Big 12 signed a deal first for $31M each.  After that ESPN said it had limited space left for their inventory at $30M each.  Well actually as it turned out, ESPN still had room for 4 more at $30M each but not 10 more. Which is why 4 PAC schools defected to the Big 12.
The ratings showed that the B12 without Texas and OU was a better television draw than the PAC without UCLA and USC.  That was true in the Fall of 2022, and it was true in the Summer of 2023.  

Occam's Razor.  The B12 was always going to get its contract. Which means the PAC never was. 

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1010 on: September 01, 2023, 09:31:16 AM »
Does Stanford gain much if they join the ACC?  I don't really understand that move if it happens.

And Wazzu/OrSU ........

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1011 on: September 01, 2023, 09:42:35 AM »
Does Stanford gain much if they join the ACC?  I don't really understand that move if it happens.

And Wazzu/OrSU ........
Well, they stay in a "Top 4" conference rather than going to the Mountain West.  There's probably some marketing advantages to that, maintaining mindshare within the football community and whatnot.  Being relegated to the MWC is clearly a demotion and would likely affect the opinions of a lot of people.

That's why I think going independent could work for them.  Not many schools can do it, but Stanford probably could.  They'd be working from a position of strength, rather than accepting a demotion.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1012 on: September 01, 2023, 09:51:45 AM »
I wonder if they will have to sign that ACC grant of rights garbage?
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1013 on: September 01, 2023, 09:54:46 AM »
I wonder if they will have to sign that ACC grant of rights garbage?
If I were Stanford, I absolutely would not.  If there's one thing we know for sure, it's that the tides of realignment will shift again.  No way I'd tie myself to the ACC if I thought there was any chance at joining the B1G somewhere down the line. 

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1014 on: September 01, 2023, 09:58:37 AM »
probably what's keeping the PAC schools from joining the ACC

grant of rights garbage
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1015 on: September 01, 2023, 10:09:59 AM »
If I were Stanford, I absolutely would not.  If there's one thing we know for sure, it's that the tides of realignment will shift again.  No way I'd tie myself to the ACC if I thought there was any chance at joining the B1G somewhere down the line.
FSU wants out, but I don't think they can find a way out until 2036 when the media rights for the ACC ends. It is possible the media companies go belly up and a quicker solution is at hand to this nonsense. I just cannot imagine Stanford and Cal basketball teams traveling to the east coast for mid-week games. Maybe the ACC-Western teams will play conference basketball road games on Fridays and Sundays to reduce the burdens excessive travel has on academic studies.

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« Reply #1016 on: September 01, 2023, 10:14:25 AM »
FSU wants out, but I don't think they can find a way out until 2036 when the media rights for the ACC ends. It is possible the media companies go belly up and a quicker solution is at hand to this nonsense. I just cannot imagine Stanford and Cal basketball teams traveling to the east coast for mid-week games. Maybe the ACC-Western teams will play conference basketball road games on Fridays and Sundays to reduce the burdens excessive travel has on academic studies.
Yeah, this is bad. Folks talked about the B1G going West, but at least most of the schools are in the middle.

Almost the entire ACC is on the East Coast.

Travel from SFO to MIA and back is not gonna be fun for anyone. Travel to play FSU is a nightmare.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1017 on: September 01, 2023, 10:31:50 AM »
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1018 on: September 01, 2023, 10:35:22 AM »
Some ACC schools are not very near a larger airport, like FSU, VT, UVA.  So, you're potentially looking at connections or hour plus bus rides.

This impacts minor sports more than CFB.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1019 on: September 01, 2023, 10:49:34 AM »
Yeah, this is bad. Folks talked about the B1G going West, but at least most of the schools are in the middle.

Almost the entire ACC is on the East Coast.

Travel from SFO to MIA and back is not gonna be fun for anyone. Travel to play FSU is a nightmare.
I found a nonstop San Francisco to Miami airline flight: 5 hours 41 mins. Add to that the time to get players on a bus, travel time to the airport, and then to the hotel, arena, or stadium. Can you imagine taking a team directly to the arena on game day for one and done game, and returning to San Francisco? Not going to happen. They will fly through 4-time zones. 
Then the west coast Olympic sports team will head up to Tallahassee for the Sunday game which would be a 500-mile drive, but just a 1.5 hour flight. Coach has to organize the team, get them on the bus, drive through traffic to the airport. On Monday they are expected to be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed for their 7:30 a.m. Chemistry class.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1020 on: September 01, 2023, 10:53:19 AM »
all this realignment should've been in football only and kept all the other sports in the regional conferences they are already in.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #1021 on: September 01, 2023, 10:56:24 AM »
Does Stanford gain much if they join the ACC?  I don't really understand that move if it happens.
not really....Stanford honestly should just go FCS and join the Ivy or kill the football program- they don't make sense as a major FBS/P5 program and never have imo

 

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