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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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Cincydawg

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #910 on: August 15, 2023, 07:33:57 AM »
I could see a university at some point dropping football, I think it's inevitable (and precedented of course).

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« Reply #911 on: August 15, 2023, 07:50:15 AM »
On May 25, 1929, Iowa was expelled from the Big Ten effective January 1, 1930 for what is believed to have been a player compensation issue. Iowa Stadium, n/k/a Kinnick Stadium opened October 5, 1929 in what would have been Iowa's last year in the conference. On December 11, 1929, Iowa disqualified 27 players.

On February 1, 1930, the Big Ten Faculty Committee unanimously voted to reinstate Iowa after a one-month expulsion. During the 1929-30 basketball season, no Big Ten teams were on Iowa's schedule. 1929-1930 Season Summary for Iowa Hawkeyes | basketball - Summary of Iowa football and basketball games (hawkeyerecap.com) Iowa played several Big Ten teams in the 1930-31 season, so there was some effect to the expulsion in 1930.

I mention this because misconduct could require the Big Ten to suspend or expel a member. Shortly after Rutgers joined I thought they might be expelled after its athletic director was accused of abusing players as a coach, and after its basketball coach Mike Rice was captured on video shoving, grabbing, and throwing balls at players, and using gay slurs, but Rutgers took action. What an auspicious start in the Big Ten.

Now Northwestern has a player hazing / sexual misconduct controversy on its football team, and while the head coach was fired, all the assistants seem to have retained their jobs, and it appears no players involved have been disciplined.

The bar is high for expulsion, but the bar is somewhere.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #912 on: August 15, 2023, 07:55:07 AM »
where there's a will there's a way

enough money will cause it
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« Reply #913 on: August 15, 2023, 09:01:32 AM »
Out with the NERDS!!
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #914 on: August 15, 2023, 09:03:25 AM »
Let's go out 20 years or so and speculate that Northwestern could well drop football.  The revenue to the school is probably nil or close to it.  The President et al. decide it's a dangerous sport, and they do a Chicago.  

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« Reply #915 on: August 15, 2023, 09:17:12 AM »
I could see that, and not just for NU.
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« Reply #916 on: August 15, 2023, 09:31:15 AM »
Oh yeah, I think many schools will be dropping football 20 years from now.

And not just the scrubs. 

College football attendance has been dropping for years now.  Younger generations show less and less interest.  New fans aren't being created at the rate they were 30-40 years ago when most of us were kids.

The sport is also going to change. CTE and other severe injury implications are only just now beginning to manifest.  I view the elimination of kickoffs as inevitable.  More and more rules to protect vulnerable players, shifting the sport much closer to a flag football version of itself.  So older fans begin to lose interest, too.

Loss of younger fans, loss of older fans, means diminishing revenues across the board.  At some point, flagging TV ratings and/or diminishing streaming revenue will make a lot of schools question-- is it worth it anymore?

THAT, is what will ultimately be College Football Armageddon.

(Maybe.  I'm just speculating here)

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« Reply #917 on: August 15, 2023, 09:50:10 AM »
The horse is out of the barn.

What we have now is simply not sustainable.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #918 on: August 15, 2023, 11:17:07 AM »
The shift from cable to .... is also going to be a factor of course.  I guess we all foresee "NFL Lite" happening in a decade.

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« Reply #919 on: August 15, 2023, 01:06:00 PM »
I also think that the shift to NIL has taken an unlevel playing field and tilted it even further, making a number of programs (like my own) pastries in the grand scheme of things. 

CFB has always been unlevel due to recruiting, compared to pro sports where there are drafts, salary caps, collective bargaining agreements, etc. In CFB the helmets already have a recruiting advantage, but then the $$$ they get by virtue of being helmets allows them to extend via winning the arms race too. The 85-scholarship limit helped somewhat, but it was still tilted.

Now we have NIL. Which was supposed to allow players to profit off their NIL (i.e. endorsements), but retain the "amateurism" ideal where schools can't pay players to play for them. But instead what it's become is a way for boosters to pay players to play for a school, just without requiring secrecy and bagmen and violating NCAA rules. 

And who has the most and wealthiest boosters? Helmets, of course! 

Then you add huge conferences, CCGs, and the CFP. Now the lesser schools have almost no chance at backdooring their way into, for example, the Rose Bowl. And not only that, it diminishes the value of something like the Rose Bowl. Even if you backdoor your way into a conference championship (for example let's say that Michigan suffered a couple key injuries in the CCG and Purdue played out of their minds and squeaked to victory), the goal is an NCG and winning a CFP quarterfinal is hot garbage... And a team like Purdue will NEVER get beyond that sort of level. Not only that, if they scrap divisions champions getting into the CCG and make it top two teams, a team like Purdue will NEVER even backdoor their way into the CCG by winning a weak division. 

So... What's the point? What are half of the teams in the P5 P4 even playing for? Almost impossible to win your conference, and if you do it only gets you to the next stage of the meat grinder where you'll get pulverized into dust. 

Might as well join the f%&^@g Peace Corps...

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« Reply #920 on: August 15, 2023, 01:11:07 PM »
I also think that the shift to NIL has taken an unlevel playing field and tilted it even further, making a number of programs (like my own) pastries in the grand scheme of things.

CFB has always been unlevel due to recruiting, compared to pro sports where there are drafts, salary caps, collective bargaining agreements, etc. In CFB the helmets already have a recruiting advantage, but then the $$$ they get by virtue of being helmets allows them to extend via winning the arms race too. The 85-scholarship limit helped somewhat, but it was still tilted.

Now we have NIL. Which was supposed to allow players to profit off their NIL (i.e. endorsements), but retain the "amateurism" ideal where schools can't pay players to play for them. But instead what it's become is a way for boosters to pay players to play for a school, just without requiring secrecy and bagmen and violating NCAA rules.

And who has the most and wealthiest boosters? Helmets, of course!

Then you add huge conferences, CCGs, and the CFP. Now the lesser schools have almost no chance at backdooring their way into, for example, the Rose Bowl. And not only that, it diminishes the value of something like the Rose Bowl. Even if you backdoor your way into a conference championship (for example let's say that Michigan suffered a couple key injuries in the CCG and Purdue played out of their minds and squeaked to victory), the goal is an NCG and winning a CFP quarterfinal is hot garbage... And a team like Purdue will NEVER get beyond that sort of level. Not only that, if they scrap divisions champions getting into the CCG and make it top two teams, a team like Purdue will NEVER even backdoor their way into the CCG by winning a weak division.

So... What's the point? What are half of the teams in the P5 P4 even playing for? Almost impossible to win your conference, and if you do it only gets you to the next stage of the meat grinder where you'll get pulverized into dust.

Might as well join the f%&^@g Peace Corps...
Not to pile on, but I think the transfer rules will tilt it further in the long-term as well. If some, let's say WR isn't all that on the radar in HS, Purdue may grab him. In the old days (like two years ago) that meant he was going to play for Purdue for four or maybe five years. Now?

There is nothing to stop him from transferring to a helmet once he shows how good he is at Purdue.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #921 on: August 15, 2023, 01:11:34 PM »
Yeah, a team like say TCU has no chance at even making the playoffs !!!!!!!

(I entirely agree.)

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« Reply #922 on: August 15, 2023, 01:33:06 PM »
Not to pile on, but I think the transfer rules will tilt it further in the long-term as well. If some, let's say WR isn't all that on the radar in HS, Purdue may grab him. In the old days (like two years ago) that meant he was going to play for Purdue for four or maybe five years. Now?

There is nothing to stop him from transferring to a helmet once he shows how good he is at Purdue.
Good point. I forgot about the transfer portal. 

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #923 on: August 15, 2023, 06:11:45 PM »
Not only that, if they scrap divisions champions getting into the CCG and make it top two teams, a team like Purdue will NEVER even backdoor their way into the CCG by winning a weak division.
But then TCU got into the playoff. Never say never.

 

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