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medinabuckeye1

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #868 on: August 11, 2023, 10:33:07 AM »
@847badgerfan 
On this highway name/number thing as relates to Ohio.

My dad had a Cleveland map from right when the interstates were being built. On that map Cleveland's freeways were named:

  • I71 which runs SW to Medina then on to Columbus was "The Medina Freeway"
  • I77 which runs S to Akron then beyond that was "The Akron Freeway".
  • Etc.
Those names never caught on. Instead, in Ohio all the interstates are known by their numbers with one partial exception. 

The Ohio Turnpike runs all the way across Ohio and connects to the Indiana and Pennsylvania Turnpikes. It predatates the Federal Interstate Highway System. 

I would say that people my age ish (say 40-60) refer to it either by number or name somewhat equally and interchangeably. Older folks mostly refer to it by name "The Turnpike" and younger folks mostly refer to it by number without a "the". Same here as in your Illinois example, nobody says "The 90" or "The 80". They either say:
  • "Take The Turnpike." Or
  • "Take 80/90".


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« Reply #869 on: August 11, 2023, 10:50:56 AM »
Exactly.
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« Reply #870 on: August 11, 2023, 10:55:36 AM »
One other aspect here in SoCal... There are a lot of major freeways that are NOT part of the interstate system, they're California highways (or 101 which is a US highway not an interstate). 

So in the LA Basin you've got I-5, I-405, I-10, I-210, I-710, I-605, I-15, I-215, I-105, I-110 etc. 

But you also have major freeways of CA-91, CA-60, CA-22, CA-55, CA-2, CA-57, CA-134, CA-118, US-101. And you even have CA-110, which is the northern end of I-110 but isn't officially an interstate designation.

That's a LOT of major roads. Moreso IMHO than probably any other metro area in the entire US. 

It's unwieldy to name them all by the I-## or CA-## designations. Whereas growing up in the Chicago area you might tell someone to take I-88 to the Eisenhower to get into the city from the western suburbs, here you might literally have a route to avoid traffic like I-5N to CA-22W to I-405N to I-605N to CA-91W to I-710N to I-105W. That's a pretty convoluted (but routing around heavy traffic, plausible) route for me to get from home to LAX. 

It'd be a mouthful to tell someone to do it that way, and then you have to remember which are interstates and which are California highways. Using "the" for all of them is just easier. 

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« Reply #871 on: August 11, 2023, 11:02:57 AM »
Californians are weird 
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« Reply #872 on: August 11, 2023, 11:10:14 AM »

It'd be a mouthful to tell someone to do it that way, and then you have to remember which are interstates and which are California highways. Using "the" for all of them is just easier.
Get me from Midway to Barrington now.
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« Reply #873 on: August 11, 2023, 11:20:06 AM »
One other aspect here in SoCal... There are a lot of major freeways that are NOT part of the interstate system, they're California highways (or 101 which is a US highway not an interstate).

So in the LA Basin you've got I-5, I-405, I-10, I-210, I-710, I-605, I-15, I-215, I-105, I-110 etc.

But you also have major freeways of CA-91, CA-60, CA-22, CA-55, CA-2, CA-57, CA-134, CA-118, US-101. And you even have CA-110, which is the northern end of I-110 but isn't officially an interstate designation.

That's a LOT of major roads. Moreso IMHO than probably any other metro area in the entire US.

It's unwieldy to name them all by the I-## or CA-## designations. Whereas growing up in the Chicago area you might tell someone to take I-88 to the Eisenhower to get into the city from the western suburbs, here you might literally have a route to avoid traffic like I-5N to CA-22W to I-405N to I-605N to CA-91W to I-710N to I-105W. That's a pretty convoluted (but routing around heavy traffic, plausible) route for me to get from home to LAX.

It'd be a mouthful to tell someone to do it that way, and then you have to remember which are interstates and which are California highways. Using "the" for all of them is just easier.
I've never lived there but I've driven around it a few times and I think part of this is that, for whatever reason, downtown LA is NOT on the coast. That means that there are twice as many ways you can go from downtown LA as compared to most large cities.

You can't drive East out of downtown Chicago (nor NE, SE,etc) because you'd get wet in Lake Michigan.

Leaving downtown LA (clockwise from N) you can go:
  • N to Glendale
  • NE to Pasadena
  • E to San Bernardino
  • SE to Anaheim
  • S to Long Beach
  • SW to Inglewood
  • W to Santa Monica
  • NW to Burbank
There are a lot less choices when leaving NYC or Chicago.


In addition to that NYC and Chicago were large cities before automobiles became prevalent. In the 1900 census NYC and Chicago were the two most populous cities with 3.4M and 1.7M people respectively. Los Angeles was #36 with barely over 100K. Consequently, LA was built for cars where NYC and Chicago were built before cars. That makes a big difference.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #874 on: August 11, 2023, 11:42:18 AM »
Get me from Midway to Barrington now.
Been a while--I usually only had to get from there to Wheaton or West Chicago, not to Barrington. To get to Wheaton/West Chicago, it was usually the Stevenson to the North-South to the East-West. 

But according to the googles, you'll take the Stevenson to the Tri-State to the Kennedy. 

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« Reply #875 on: August 11, 2023, 11:58:50 AM »
If you like traffic you would go that route, but you're not taking the Tri-State to the Kennedy. You're taking it to 90 West. The Stevenson (I-55) absolutely sucks, especially at the I-294 interchange.

Me?

I'd go 55th Street East to Cicero (IL-50) North to the Eisenhauer (I-290) West to the Eisenhauer Extension (I-290) West to IL-53 North to Lake-Cook Road.

Pretty simple.
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« Reply #876 on: August 11, 2023, 11:59:17 AM »
https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/report-dollar-figure-finally-emerges-on-significant-espn-deal-pac-12-rejected/

Article claims that ESPN offered the Pac $30M/school AFTER USC/UCLA left and the Chancellors turned it down.

If true that, IMHO, exonerates the PAC Commissioner as it wasn't his fault. 

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #877 on: August 11, 2023, 12:03:51 PM »
If you like traffic you would go that route, but you're not taking the Tri-State to the Kennedy. You're taking it to 90 West. The Stevenson (I-55) absolutely sucks, especially at the I-294 interchange.

Me?

I'd go 55th Street East to Cicero (IL-50) North to the Eisenhauer (I-290) West to the Eisenhauer Extension (I-290) West to IL-53 North to Lake-Cook Road.

Pretty simple.
Fair 'nuff. I haven't had to think seriously about Chicago traffic in over 20 years, so I don't know the current patterns. And considering I only had about 6 years total driving there and in practice much less i.e. 2 years of HS, then 4 years at Purdue where I was only home summers/breaks, I'm not going to call myself an expert on it. 

The only reason I really knew the route to Midway anyway is that we'd drive past it every time we'd go to my grandparents' house just off 61st and Pulaski. It's not like I was a jet-setter in those days lol. 

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« Reply #878 on: August 11, 2023, 12:15:54 PM »
We only use MDW when we fly out of PGD on Allegiant. Mostly we go RSW to ORD.
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« Reply #879 on: August 11, 2023, 12:17:20 PM »
https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/report-dollar-figure-finally-emerges-on-significant-espn-deal-pac-12-rejected/

Article claims that ESPN offered the Pac $30M/school AFTER USC/UCLA left and the Chancellors turned it down.

If true that, IMHO, exonerates the PAC Commissioner as it wasn't his fault.
Chancellors F'd up.


So did Larry Scott. BIG TIME.
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« Reply #880 on: August 11, 2023, 12:41:36 PM »
Larry should have taken Texas and Oklahoma when he had his chance
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« Reply #881 on: August 11, 2023, 01:23:54 PM »
https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/report-dollar-figure-finally-emerges-on-significant-espn-deal-pac-12-rejected/

Article claims that ESPN offered the Pac $30M/school AFTER USC/UCLA left and the Chancellors turned it down.

If true that, IMHO, exonerates the PAC Commissioner as it wasn't his fault.
That doesn't make any sense at all.  If there was a $30M/school offer in late 2022, then why wouldn't there have still been an offer in July of 2023?  Even if ESPN decided to decrease the number, even a $20M/school offer would have been better than nothing, and nothing is what they were offered from ALL parties in July of 2023 (I'm not counting Apple's terrible deal).

Larry should have taken Texas and Oklahoma when he had his chance

Larry never really had a shot at Texas, because once ESPN and Fox came back with more acceptable numbers for the B12 contract in 2010, Texas wasn't going anywhere.

 

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