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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #812 on: August 10, 2023, 11:32:38 AM »
A $139 million research budget is pretty pitiful for a P5 school.  Maybe Phil Knight sweetened the deal? 
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #813 on: August 10, 2023, 11:44:58 AM »
A $139 million research budget is pretty pitiful for a P5 school.  Maybe Phil Knight sweetened the deal? 

Right.  But of course all these B1G moves are "about the money-- the research money."

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Like we keep saying, we understand why Oregon and Nebraska and Rutgers would want to be in the B1G and gain more access to larger research funding.  That's a no-brainer.  But the reverse isn't true, the B1G wasn't thinking about academics or research when targeting these schools. The conference administration wasn't somehow, illogically tempted, by their well-below-B1G average research budgets (and in Oregon's case its absolutely pitiful research budget).

The fact that UCLA and Washington are such heavy research schools certainly is nice for the B1G, of course.  But it's not why they were targeted.

It's an athletics conference.  The academics are irrelevant when choosing targets for acquisition. If it mattered, Oregon would never have been considered.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #814 on: August 10, 2023, 11:47:06 AM »
Right.  But of course all these B1G moves are "about the money-- the research money."

LOL

Like we keep saying, we understand why Oregon and Nebraska and Rutgers would want to be in the B1G and gain more access to larger research funding.  That's a no-brainer.  But the B1G didn't target those schools for their well-below-B1G average research budgets, and in Oregon's case it's absolutely pitiful research budget.

The fact that UCLA and Washington are such heavy research schools certainly is nice for the B1G, of course.  But it's not at all why they were targeted.

It's an athletics conference.  The academics are irrelevant when choosing targets for acquisition. 
Apparently you are right because otherwise Oregon wouldn't be a member. 

That said, I think it was the wrong decision. 

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #815 on: August 10, 2023, 11:53:17 AM »
Apparently you are right because otherwise Oregon wouldn't be a member.

That said, I think it was the wrong decision.
It's just so baffling.  Oregon doesn't make sense by any metrics I can imagine.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #816 on: August 10, 2023, 12:01:32 PM »
It's just so baffling.  Oregon doesn't make sense by any metrics I can imagine.
Well you're not trying very hard.  Adding Washington and Oregon moves the school colors balance a little bit in the right direction away from red.  About the only positive I can think of.  Although neon green and yellow aint much better than red.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #817 on: August 10, 2023, 12:32:51 PM »
list of research spending by institutions:
  • 3, 1.6B Michigan
  • 5, 1.5B, Washington
  • 6, 1.5B, UCLA
  • 8, 1.4B, Wisconsin
  • 9. 1.3B, Stanford
  • 12, 1.2B, Ohio State
  • 17, 1.1B, Maryland
  • 22, 1.1B, Minnesota
  • 26, 971M, Penn State
  • 28, 956M, USC
  • 30, 913M, Northwestern
  • 37, 731M, Illinois
  • 39, 710M, Michigan State
  • 40, 695M, Indiana
  • 41, 679M, Purdue
  • 45, 644M, Rutgers
  • 50, 554M, Iowa
  • 87, 307M, Nebraska (their Medical center is another $201M, reported separately)
  • 149, 139M, Oregon
the list of athletic spending is obviously much different
I know TV money is spread pretty evenly amongst programs within the conference athletically 
is research money spread evenly at all?
I assume Nebraska is benefiting with more research dollars than back in 2010.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #818 on: August 10, 2023, 01:52:17 PM »
the list of athletic spending is obviously much different
I know TV money is spread pretty evenly amongst programs within the conference athletically
is research money spread evenly at all?
I assume Nebraska is benefiting with more research dollars than back in 2010.
You assume correctly.  medina's link goes back ten years, so you can see year by year what the differences are.

2012:
U Nebraska: $253M
U Nebraska Medical Center:$142M
Total: $395M

2021:
U Nebraska: $307M
U Nebraska Medical Center: $201M
Total: $508M


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« Reply #819 on: August 10, 2023, 02:04:34 PM »
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #820 on: August 10, 2023, 02:14:14 PM »
It's just so baffling.  Oregon doesn't make sense by any metrics I can imagine.
I *THINK* that what happened was basically this:

Either Tony Petitti (B1G Commissioner) asked or the TV people just said that they liked Oregon because Oregon has a bigger draw. 

The TV people, however, are inherently looking at this on a short term basis. The contracts only last so long, and even if Phil Knight died this afternoon, what his money built at Oregon would disappear overnight. 

IMHO, it was Petitti's job to look at it instead from a long-term perspective and on that basis, Stanford is the better addition. 

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« Reply #821 on: August 10, 2023, 02:47:05 PM »
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« Reply #822 on: August 10, 2023, 03:07:33 PM »
Just call it the WAC or are they too cash strapped to change one letter?
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #823 on: August 10, 2023, 03:20:55 PM »
I previously posted on this thread that the Big 12 had a clause in their TV contracts that gave them more cash if new teams joined the Big 12, and that what I read online is that the Big Ten's contracts did not have such a clause.

Well -- Ohio State's Gene Smith just let the cat out of the bag -- Fox Sports paid more to allow Oregon and Washington to come into the Big Ten receiving $30-35M per year, less than the full share of the other Big Ten teams, until the TV contracts expire circa 2029 as I recall. Ohio State AD Gene Smith says Fox paid the tab to bring Oregon, Washington to Big Ten (msn.com)

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« Reply #824 on: August 10, 2023, 03:24:38 PM »
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #825 on: August 10, 2023, 03:28:26 PM »
I previously posted on this thread that the Big 12 had a clause in their TV contracts that gave them more cash if new teams joined the Big 12, and that what I read online is that the Big Ten's contracts did not have such a clause.

Well -- Ohio State's Gene Smith just let the cat out of the bag -- Fox Sports paid more to allow Oregon and Washington to come into the Big Ten receiving $30-35M per year, less than the full share of the other Big Ten teams, until the TV contracts expire circa 2029 as I recall. Ohio State AD Gene Smith says Fox paid the tab to bring Oregon, Washington to Big Ten (msn.com)
That's weird since Fox has the noon ET game every week and it's not that likely Wash and Ore will play in the noon game. You would think NBC and CBS would be the ones paying more.

On the other hand,  I guess it does create more overall games for NBC and CBS and Fox and FS1 to choose from. 

 

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