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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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bayareabadger

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #686 on: August 05, 2023, 12:04:08 AM »
Washington is a decent addition.

Oregon is a Community College with temporarily good athletics due go Phil Knight's money. Phil is 80+ and not going to live forever.
In what way is it a community college?

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #687 on: August 05, 2023, 12:14:38 AM »
It's funny that the Big 12 is taking a hard pass on Stanford and Cal, when just a few years ago they were adding UCF and Cincinnati just to stay afloat. 
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #688 on: August 05, 2023, 12:42:23 AM »
It's funny that the Big 12 is taking a hard pass on Stanford and Cal, when just a few years ago they were adding UCF and Cincinnati just to stay afloat.
The Big Ten is pausing expansion with Stanford and Cal. It isn't saying no, it is pausing. I think this is why: Report: Florida State exploring capital equity with JPMorgan (msn.com) 
FSU is desperately seeking a way out of its ACC media rights commitment through 2036, which could cost them $120M, much of which and more might be recouped by joining the Big Ten or SEC. The problem is they agreed if they left the ACC, the ACC would retain their media rights. This makes FSU to the Big Ten or other conference, a very long shot.
I do not understand the finances behind their exploration of capital equity with JP Morgan, but they must be very serious about leaving the ACC. I am speculating that the best media deal for the Big Ten is to add Clemson or Miami, and FSU, not Stanford and Cal.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #689 on: August 05, 2023, 03:37:42 AM »
I want FSU to languish in the ACC for the next 13 years, but now I kind of want them to get out of it.  Spend a ton of money they evidently don't have AND reap nothing from their name?  HAHAHAHAHAHA

Tough shit.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #690 on: August 05, 2023, 08:37:51 AM »
It's funny that the Big 12 is taking a hard pass on Stanford and Cal, when just a few years ago they were adding UCF and Cincinnati just to stay afloat.
I don't think that's the B12's choice.  Stanford and Cal have made it very clear over the decades that they think B12 schools are beneath them. 

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #691 on: August 05, 2023, 08:43:31 AM »
In what way is it a community college?
In 2021 they were 149th in research spending at $139M.

The lowest B1G school was #87 Nebraska at $307M but that doesn't include the $201M at their medical school.

Your school was #8 at $1.4B, mine was #12 at $1.2B.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #692 on: August 05, 2023, 09:56:45 AM »


How much is the ACC's TV deal worth, and when does it expire? Exploring the rumors around realignment and expansion (sportskeeda.com)
How much is the ACC's TV deal worth, and when does it expire? Exploring the rumors around realignment and expansion (sportskeeda.com)


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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #693 on: August 05, 2023, 09:57:52 AM »
There is speculation that the Big Ten may still want to take Stanford and Cal even though it won't make them any money. 

There are some Big Ten Presidents still drooling over the academic standing of these institutions and want desperately to be associated with them,  despite the fact that no fans seem to be following them in football.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #694 on: August 05, 2023, 10:08:36 AM »
what the hell is wrong with these people?
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« Reply #695 on: August 05, 2023, 10:14:57 AM »
Well, if folks think academics outweighs money, go for it.  It wouldn't be all that expensive really.


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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #696 on: August 05, 2023, 10:17:46 AM »
academic folks think academics outweighs money

they are obviously wrong

Big Ten Presidents and Chancellors and such are academic folks
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #697 on: August 05, 2023, 10:20:39 AM »
I don't get it personally.  

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #698 on: August 05, 2023, 10:41:58 AM »
academic folks think academics outweighs money

they are obviously wrong

Big Ten Presidents and Chancellors and such are academic folks
One thing I've learned over the years is that when it comes down to it, nothing outweighs money.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #699 on: August 05, 2023, 11:39:06 AM »
Presuming the AZs are gone, the Pac now has OrSU, Wazzu, Stanford, Utah, and Cal.  The first two look to be in serious trouble.  Utah can bounce I suspect, Cal and Stanford?  Dunno.

My too-early guesses:

Stanford goes independent for a while like Notre Dame.

Cal’s fan and admin support has collapsed since about 2016 to the point it was already worth wondering whether the Bears were willing to field a football team into the next decade. The Pac 12 collapsing will accelerate their decline. I think they can find an active, welcomed, stable, albeit scaled back future in the MTW, but a big headache of theirs will be paying off the over $400M debt incurred by their Athletic department, in large part for renovations meant to keep up with the rest of college sports. In short, Cal was no longer built for long term P5 relevance.

Oregon State and Washington State are getting screwed.

WSU was so much more remote and smaller than the rest of the Pac 12 schools, they always felt more like a MTW Conf team playing in the Pac 12 anyway. WSU stands to lose a lot of money but culturally and geographically the Cougs will adjust well should they move to the MTW. Boise State, Gonzaga, and Idaho are nearby for natural rivals.

 

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