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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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LittlePig

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #658 on: August 04, 2023, 09:00:00 AM »

Edit:  Arizona is now almost gone, moving to the Big 12 in 2024.  They have decided to leave and the Big 12 has accepted their application.  

The main thing holding up an official announcement is they are waiting for Arizona State to make a decision.  They want to make sure that if ASU wants to join the Big 12, the Big 12 would have to take the 2 as a package.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2023, 09:34:26 AM by LittlePig »

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #660 on: August 04, 2023, 02:14:16 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/college/washington/.amp/football/reports-say-washington-and-oregon-leaving-pac-12-for-big-ten

Looks like it's about to happen.  Washington and Oregon to Big Ten in 2024.

Did they originally say they would announce by Memorial Day?  They must have meant Labor Day.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #661 on: August 04, 2023, 03:22:37 PM »
So is this for next season? Better redo those schedules. Honestly, I like the Pacific Northwest and this gives me an excuse to drag the family out there.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #662 on: August 04, 2023, 04:58:15 PM »
I think the Pac could have survived after losing two, but not five.  They would have been wounded of course, but "OK".  Now they have nothing left and the 2 AZs are apparently headed out.  Stanford might go Indy?  Can there be a conference of "independents"?

I'd guess I'm noncommital on the ACC so far but obviously they could fall apart quickly as well after some legal stuff.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #663 on: August 04, 2023, 05:23:04 PM »
The Big Ten can expand, shuffle and realign all it wants while the SEC will keep winning titles (saturdaydownsouth.com)

I think this fellow uses the past as prologue, and that isn't always the case obviously.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #664 on: August 04, 2023, 05:25:22 PM »
I think the Pac could have survived after losing two, but not five.  They would have been wounded of course, but "OK".  Now they have nothing left and the 2 AZs are apparently headed out.  Stanford might go Indy?  Can there be a conference of "independents"?

I'd guess I'm noncommital on the ACC so far but obviously they could fall apart quickly as well after some legal stuff.
I disagree.

When USC left AND took the "other" LA school with them, it was over.  The only chance the PAC ever had was that biennial trip to SoCal.  USC was the PAC's only blueblood, and that was major, but to remove all exposure to SoCal was the moment the PAC died.
Why do I believe this?
Because I've run realignment "what ifs" more times than I care to admit.  And in doing them in all different ways, the PAC had a unique problem none of the other existing conferences did:  bad geography.
I had deemed an ACC vs XII showdown as most likely going forward, but also acknowledging an utter lack of realistic candidates for the PAC to ever poach.  
They'd already grabbed Utah and CU.  But their further potential targets were way out in Kansas and Texas.  And none of them were programs that would move the needle.
B1G and SEC could poach from the ACC or XII anytime they want (in a vacuum, 2036 notwithstanding).  The ACC and XII could potentially poach the other (but haven't).  But there are a multitude of schools around, with even the AAC providing something of value.
Football-wise, for the PAC, out that way, there's who?  BYU?  They had an issue with their no-Sunday thing.  And they're still not great.  Boise?  Apparently their academics are community college-level.
Out west, there's just a dearth of options, so the PAC has had an expansion ceiling over it this whole time.
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Could they have survived if they did SOMETHING?  Sure, kind of.  But not as THE PAC WHATEVER.  Their survival could only have been as a demoted G-5 level with San Diego State and whoever else they found in the bottom of the barrel.  But as a legitimate, P-5 conference.....that was lost last summer.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #665 on: August 04, 2023, 05:29:47 PM »
The Big Ten can expand, shuffle and realign all it wants while the SEC will keep winning titles (saturdaydownsouth.com)

I think this fellow uses the past as prologue, and that isn't always the case obviously.
The thing this article does that stands out for me is include women's basketball into a "big 4" of sports, lol.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #666 on: August 04, 2023, 05:30:31 PM »
Bubba Cunningham critical of comments from Florida St. president - ESPN

"I don't think it's good for our league for them to be out there barking like that," Cunningham said on "The Adam Gold Show." "I'd rather see them be a good member of the league, support the league and if they have to make a decision, then so be it. Pay for the exit fee, wait for your grant of rights that you've given and then in 2036, when those rights return to you, do whatever you want."
The ACC has a television contract with ESPN that runs through 2036.
Any school that wants to leave the conference would have to pay a $120 million exit fee, in addition to figuring out a way out of the grant of rights -- which runs through 2036 and gives the ACC control over each school's media rights.



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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #667 on: August 04, 2023, 05:33:22 PM »
The Big XII's relative mediocrity helped them survive this go-round.
No one wanted any program not named OU or Texas from the XII, so they added some G5 programs with good, various secondary numbers (which is what the PAC commish failed to do (despite there being little if any to grab)) to stay in the game.  And staying in the game while another domino falls (PAC) has enabled it to poach from the PAC now.
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Which commish earned his paycheck, Big XII or PAC?  That's an easy one.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #668 on: August 04, 2023, 05:38:16 PM »
Presuming the AZs are gone, the Pac now has OrSU, Wazzu, Stanford, Utah, and Cal.  The first two look to be in serious trouble.  Utah can bounce I suspect, Cal and Stanford?  Dunno.


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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #670 on: August 04, 2023, 05:42:57 PM »
I really don't understand taking Oregon and not Stanford.  
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #671 on: August 04, 2023, 05:59:57 PM »
I really don't understand taking Oregon and not Stanford. 
same. taking Oregon- it actually blows my mind. makes zero sense. 

 

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