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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #588 on: July 30, 2023, 02:40:30 PM »
I'm not understanding FSU or Clemson to the B1G at all, if any of the pious academic prerequisites ever meant anything.  FSU has done a fantastic job of improving their undergrad reputation in the past 20 years, but they're still not "there" yet.  And that's largely irrelevant for the B1G, who only seems to care about AAU/research cred. 
Clemson is still what FSU used to be, so I don't get that at all.  They have a strong football program and literally no other desirable attribute.
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If recruiting means the most, GT and Miami make sense.  Not counting TX, the top 2 recruiting grounds are easily south FL and southern Cali.  But 3rd would likely be the Atlanta area.
If academics means the most, UNC and UVA make sense.  AAU + top undergrad.  Miami is right there, too.
All 4 of the above expand the footprint, if that matters anymore.

When it comes to eyeballs, of the proposed programs, it's Miami at the top again.  UNC is up there if you include Charlotte and Durham.
But this is sort of why I see the Canes as the obvious target.  Recruiting, AAU, footprint, market size.  They check every box.  Plus, as a bonus, they have a less-than-enthusiastic fanbase, so that B1G fans can travel well and make it a virtual home game down there.
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FSU has 1.5 of those 4 (FL panhandle, south GA/AL are pretty fertile, but not like Miami), not AAU, yes on footprint, no market size).
GT has everything over Clemson besides football success.  Does winning on the field trump EVERYTHING else?  Remember, the B1G added RUTGERS. 
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #589 on: July 30, 2023, 02:53:54 PM »
I'm not understanding FSU or Clemson to the B1G at all, if any of the pious academic prerequisites ever meant anything.  FSU has done a fantastic job of improving their undergrad reputation in the past 20 years, but they're still not "there" yet.  And that's largely irrelevant for the B1G, who only seems to care about AAU/research cred. 
Clemson is still what FSU used to be, so I don't get that at all.  They have a strong football program and literally no other desirable attribute.
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If recruiting means the most, GT and Miami make sense.  Not counting TX, the top 2 recruiting grounds are easily south FL and southern Cali.  But 3rd would likely be the Atlanta area.
If academics means the most, UNC and UVA make sense.  AAU + top undergrad.  Miami is right there, too.
All 4 of the above expand the footprint, if that matters anymore.

When it comes to eyeballs, of the proposed programs, it's Miami at the top again. 
This is sort of why I see the Canes as the obvious target.  Recruiting, AAU, footprint, market size.  They check every box.
FSU has 2.5 of those 4 (FL panhandle, south GA/AL are pretty fertile, but not like Miami), not AAU, yes on footprint, no market size).
GT has everyone over Clemson besides football success.  Does winning on the field trump EVERYTHING else?  Remember, the B1G added RUTGERS. 
FSU only makes sense if you can pair them with Miami as a Florida partner imo. It's a fairly large brand in football (which let's be honest, drives EVERYTHING in these discussions), they are an almost helmet in perhaps the fastest growing state in America.

I said MAYBE Clemson. The only thing they bring is a football program that really has only been elite for the last 5-7 years and they get you into South Carolina, a wildly growing state. I don't see them as a surefire thing like FSU/Miami, but they are still a far better option than Washington or Oregon, imo.

Not counting TX? Brother- South Florida is HANDS down the very top, most fertile recruiting grounds in the entire USA. It's not even close. At all. There is no area in the entire country with as much high level P5 and future NFL talent. As of 2020 (yeah I know it's changed) 41 players in the NFL came from Miami/Ft Laud (this doesn't even include Palm Beach county)- next closest was Houston metro with 21. As I said, it's not even fkn close. Which is why Miami makes a lot of sense for the B1G. Not to mention B1G schools have huge swaths of alumni & fan transplants already living in SoFL.

In a dream scenario, if I could pick 4, it'd be

Most wanted:
Stanford (perhaps best school in the entire US, plus gets B1G footprint into NorCal and ties into USC/UCLA)
UNC (great academics, in a rapidly growing state/region with fertile recruiting ground, plus bring blue blood status in the minor league sport of this expansion discussion)
Miami (great academic school, in a massive tv market & most fertile recruiting ground in US)

Take whoever says yes first:
FSU or ND - flip a coin, but part of me wants to just tell ND to fk off for refusing to join the B1G time and time again.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #590 on: July 30, 2023, 03:00:22 PM »
I sat TX out because it's not in play, not as competition for Miami-Dade.  Some would argue DFW or Houston rival Atlanta after Miami-Dade and SoCal in terms of recruiting, that's all.
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Yeah, I don't know why the B1G doesn't tell ND to kick rocks as an unofficial stance.  I wouldn't contact them, talk with them or take their calls, ever.  Individual schools can schedule them, but that's it.
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« Reply #591 on: July 30, 2023, 07:37:10 PM »
I sat TX out because it's not in play, not as competition for Miami-Dade.  Some would argue DFW or Houston rival Atlanta after Miami-Dade and SoCal in terms of recruiting, that's all.
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Yeah, I don't know why the B1G doesn't tell ND to kick rocks as an unofficial stance.  I wouldn't contact them, talk with them or take their calls, ever.  Individual schools can schedule them, but that's it.
yeah, I'm pretty much all for telling ND fk right off to be honest. 

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #592 on: July 30, 2023, 09:56:59 PM »
yup
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« Reply #593 on: July 30, 2023, 10:19:09 PM »
Top programs in every conference recruit where they like. Non-top programs don't matter in the equation, at all.

Notre Dame is the only school available that brings more to a potential conference than it takes away, in terms of television revenue, which is all that matters.

If the domers called the B1G front office tomorrow and said, "yeah we're on our way" then the B1G would fall all over itself licking the domers' boot heels to make it happen.

And if the domers called the SEC front office tomorrow, the exact same thing would happen.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #594 on: July 30, 2023, 11:07:34 PM »
doesn't make it right
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #595 on: July 30, 2023, 11:21:44 PM »
Rumor Swirling That Big Ten Will Be Adding 4 New Schools This Week (msn.com)

Clemson, FSU, Oregon, and Washington. No sources cited.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #596 on: July 31, 2023, 12:20:28 AM »
We don't need a source?

Okay, tomorrow the B1G is adding Hawai'i, New Mexico, FAU, and Holy Cross (to stick it to ND).
The SEC is contracting Vandy, Florida, and Texas, as they've exceeded the conference's academic mediocrity.  
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #597 on: July 31, 2023, 02:39:58 AM »
We don't need a source?

Okay, tomorrow the B1G is adding Hawai'i, New Mexico, FAU, and Holy Cross (to stick it to ND).
The SEC is contracting Vandy, Florida, and Texas, as they've exceeded the conference's academic mediocrity. 
yup, and that's 99% of all media period today sadly. and it's been that way for awhile now. 20+ years at least. major news papers & cable tv news ran "WMD's in Iraq!" and "Trump's a Russian Agent!" stories 24/7 for years straight with literally zero sources and zero evidence to back up any of their fantastical claims or insinuations and they got the vast majority of the stupid ass 'Merican public to buy both hook line and sinker. 'Merica baby.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #598 on: July 31, 2023, 05:28:08 AM »
Lol.  The fact that there is a rumor out there  is  true .  But any legimate news source or reporter would check on the  credibility of the rumor and confirm it with a legimate source before repeating it or publishing it.

The whole Wash/Ore/FSU/Clem to Big Ten story has enough red flags to doubt its credibility.  The Big Ten has announced its done with expansion for year 2024 but not forever.  I believe them.  Then throw in the fact that FSU and Clem are locked into a long-term GOR deal with the ACC and the opinion that FSU and Clem are better candidates for the SEC.  The reasons to doubt the story just keep piling up.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #599 on: July 31, 2023, 05:54:29 AM »
In the off season, we get flooded with click bait like this one.  And it gets worse as the season approaches.  They have to concoct something.

I figure maybe it's true, or not, I can wait for reality.  

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #600 on: July 31, 2023, 08:36:25 AM »
I honestly don't even see the B1G looking at Clemson unless it's as a last resort option and the 6-8 schools they target all tell them no- which let's be honest that's not gonna happen. They'll probably get anyone out there they really want (most likely UNC, Miami, Stanford) with ease save for ND who will take some butt-kissing and blowing of in order to get to actually agree to join a conference.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #601 on: July 31, 2023, 08:37:41 AM »
Top programs in every conference recruit where they like. Non-top programs don't matter in the equation, at all.

Notre Dame is the only school available that brings more to a potential conference than it takes away, in terms of television revenue, which is all that matters.

If the domers called the B1G front office tomorrow and said, "yeah we're on our way" then the B1G would fall all over itself licking the domers' boot heels to make it happen.

And if the domers called the SEC front office tomorrow, the exact same thing would happen.
yeah this is all 100% true and accurate information, but I still feel like the B1G should tell ND to go fk themselves lol. 

 

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