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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2023, 06:08:07 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 14, 2023, 08:57:13 AM
FSU and Miami for me.
FSU I'm pretty meh about. Northern Florida/Panhandle has talent for sure, but nothing like South Florida. Not sure they are an academic fit either.

Miami to me makes a ton of sense. They are a small private school near a major city, basically like a Northwestern of the South. Oh yeah that city also happens to be without question THE most fertile recruiting ground in the entire fn country. Would be quite the coup for the B1G if they can bring Miami into the fold imo.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2023, 06:11:04 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 14, 2023, 08:18:47 AM
Yeah not only does Oregon not bring anything to the table, they actually take away quite a bit.  They're dangerous and competitive both on the field and in recruiting and they are light years ahead of most programs in weaponizing NIL.  And yet they don't bring net new viewers to the B1G, not in the way USC does.

Ever since the UCLA/USC news broke and then everyone speculated that  UO/UW were next, I've been stating that I think bringing in UO would be a bad idea.  Why bring in someone that doesn't increase incremental TV revenue but threatens your marquee teams both competitively and in recruiting?  Makes no sense at all.
100% agree. 

Bringing Oregon in only hurts the conference for those reasons plus others. Makes zero sense. They add nothing at all and actually take away from USC/OSU/MICH/Penn State.  
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2023, 06:16:22 PM »
US News rankings among Big Ten and PAC

Big Ten
10.  NW
20.  UCLA (joining)
25.  Mich
25.  USC (joining)
38.  Wisc
41.  ILL
49.  Ohio St
51.  Purdue
55.  Rutgers
55.  MD
62.  Minn
72.  Ind
77.  PSU
77.  MSU
83.  Iowa
151.  Neb

Side note: Nebraska's US News rankings seems to be in free fall since it was kicked out of the AAU 10 years ago.  I remember when it had a ranking in the 95-105 range.  Not anymore, I guess.

PAC
3.  Stanford
20.  Cal-Berkley
20.  UCLA (leaving)
25.  USC (leaving)
55.  Washington
97.  Col
105.  Oregon
105.  Arizona
105.  UTAH
121.  Ariz St
151.  Ore St
212.  Wash St

So yes,  Washington would be right in the middle academically,  tied for 9th place in an 18 team Big Ten conference.  But finding an academic school in the middle of the Big Ten is no small accomplishment and Washington is 3rd of the remaining PAC schools behind Stanford and Cal-Berkley.  Washington also has the strongest football resume of the remaining PAC schools, although Oregon and Utah have been closing the gap recently. 

Throw it all together, Washington is clearly the #1 candidate of the remaining PAC schools.  What is not clear is who should be #2 to go with Washington.  Oregon, Stanford, Cal, Col, Utah and Arizona all have interesting arguments who should be #2.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2023, 08:08:13 PM »
Surprised Colorado is so low...
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2023, 06:51:31 AM »
I think AAU status has more to do with graduate school than undergrad and if so wouldn't be a factor in these rankings.  (UGA is not AAAU and tied with OSU for example.)

I also suspect the "difference" between #50 and #100 is pretty slight "on the ground".  The top 30 or so are probably a thing, meaning it looks nice on the resume.

And of course some of these places have excellent departments in certain areas like engineering and not so great otherwise like Purdue.  

I'd look at a tangible metric like mean SAT scores of incoming.  That can indicate the students are solid, or not.  

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2023, 08:35:19 AM »
academics don't mean squat
in this realignment
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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2023, 08:54:02 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 14, 2023, 06:08:07 PM
FSU I'm pretty meh about. Northern Florida/Panhandle has talent for sure, but nothing like South Florida. Not sure they are an academic fit either.

Miami to me makes a ton of sense. They are a small private school near a major city, basically like a Northwestern of the South. Oh yeah that city also happens to be without question THE most fertile recruiting ground in the entire fn country. Would be quite the coup for the B1G if they can bring Miami into the fold imo.
There's P5 talent all over the state. Even over here. It's unreal. If the B1G can get into Florida, the future is bright. I hope they are seriously thinking about it.


2024 Top Football Recruits in Florida (247sports.com)
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2023, 08:55:11 AM »
better option than Cali
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2023, 09:00:23 AM »
Shoulda took Texas when they wanted in back in 1990 or so.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2023, 09:02:21 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 15, 2023, 08:35:19 AM
academics don't mean squat
in this realignment
Football is king, no doubt,  but academics has played a big role,  especially with the former "alliance" conferences of the PAC, BIg Ten and ACC.  Of course we saw how the alliance worked out. 

BUT for the most part the Big Ten still has a rule that a school needs to be an AAU member,  with a few exceptions like Notre Dame.

And in a way, the PAC's downfall was a direct result of the academic snobbery of schools like Cal, Stanford and USC. Their refusal to take schools like TT, Ok St, Kan St when the PAC had the chance last year is the reason why the Big 12 now suddenly has the advantage over the PAC IF Wash and Ore leave.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2023, 09:06:29 AM »
I didn't come here to play school.

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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2023, 09:16:43 AM »
Quote from: LittlePig on May 15, 2023, 09:02:21 AM
Football is king, no doubt,  but academics has played a big role,  especially with the former "alliance" conferences of the PAC, BIg Ten and ACC.  Of course we saw how the alliance worked out. 

BUT for the most part the Big Ten still has a rule that a school needs to be an AAU member,  with a few exceptions like Notre Dame.

And in a way, the PAC's downfall was a direct result of the academic snobbery of schools like Cal, Stanford and USC. Their refusal to take schools like TT, Ok St, Kan St when the PAC had the chance last year is the reason why the Big 12 now suddenly has the advantage over the PAC IF Wash and Ore leave.
Key word HAS. 

All that matters now is money and how to attract the largest number of eyeballs by forcing cable providers to carry their games. USC and UCLA brought in the So. Cal market which was huge. Oregon and Washington brings in the entire NW which includes Portland and Seattle. That makes the B1G footprint essentially the entire west coast along with possibly even Idaho, Nevada at no charge.
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Re: UW and UO to Big Ten ~ Memorial Day?
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2023, 09:21:32 AM »
That's like how Rutgers brought in the NYC markets ...
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