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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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« Reply #2884 on: October 02, 2025, 09:12:48 AM »
Forgive me,  I am just trying to understand.  Doesn't giving up a 5% stake usually mean the PE firm gets 5% of the "profits" every year forever?
Yes- but they believe ( and often achieve) that they will drive the profits much higher- so the net to each school goes up substantially.  
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« Reply #2885 on: October 02, 2025, 09:25:42 AM »
The profits off football can only be from advertising.

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« Reply #2886 on: October 02, 2025, 09:30:02 AM »
merchandise sales, concessions, parking, media content (coach's shows, games, press conferences)
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« Reply #2887 on: October 02, 2025, 09:31:02 AM »
merchandise sales, concessions, parking, media content (coach's shows, games, press conferences)
Yes, you are right, those do contribute, but is there a reason to think some PE deal will increase any of those past current levels?

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« Reply #2888 on: October 02, 2025, 09:35:52 AM »
The profits off football can only be from advertising.
What about TV rights?

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« Reply #2889 on: October 02, 2025, 09:42:06 AM »
What about TV rights?
That’s the biggest one- and the majority reason why a PE firm thinks they can improve revenue.   
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« Reply #2890 on: October 02, 2025, 09:48:53 AM »
What about TV rights?
That’s the biggest one- and the majority reason why a PE firm thinks they can improve revenue. 
Yeah, the media IP is absolutely what the PE firms are after.  I'm sure they'll attempt to add incremental revenue streams in ways we haven't yet thought of, but the largest piece of the pie is the media rights.

I'm interested to see what they think they can do, to increase the value there.  They don't invest unless they think they can make significant returns.  They'll be looking for 20-30% ROI, although historically the rates end up being closer to 10 or 11%.

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« Reply #2891 on: October 02, 2025, 11:04:58 AM »
Private Equity is terrible for the consumer in general and will be terrible for the fans of college football specifically. Private Equity will seek to maximize every last dollar opportunity at the expense of fan service and consumer experience.

I am tied in a lot to PE aggressively taking over the two largest empires on the Las Vegas Strip - MGM & Caesars. You ever wonder why there's no more free parking? Free drink services are cut back to almost nothing at the tables and slots? Blackjack odds were raised in favor of the house from 3:2 to 6:5? And the prices on absolutely everything are nearly doubled in the last four years? Private Equity stepped in and forced these changes for the sake of short term profit. Lost is any sense of courting the customer loyalty that Vegas was famous for and well tipped for - like with free drink service and gambling comps.

Private Equity is more invasive than standard shareholding. A third party shareholder (like myself) purchases a portion of the business with the trust that the business themselves will keep bettering themselves. A Private Equity arrangement is an agreement to take over a business for the sake of controlling the strategy to maximize the company at all costs. On paper, Private Equity looks beneficial, but everybody else (consumer, fans, loyalty programs, etc) suffers the unintended consequences.

How would a PE takeover play out for the Big Ten? Off the top of my head, advertising will be maximized in every way possible. More corporate logos on the field and corporate logos covering the uniforms. Probably strange neutral site games in places like Brazil, like the NFL does to promote their league. A study into whether the Big Ten can become a publicly traded brand with an IPO and ESG score.

An unintended consequence of this would be the formation of a players union that would A) demand a certain percentage of League profits and B) would seek to be disassociated from Student Athlete expectations in a way that would make them professional representatives of a university rather than students of a university.

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« Reply #2892 on: October 02, 2025, 11:09:40 AM »
Private Equity is terrible for the consumer in general and will be terrible for the fans of college football specifically. Private Equity will seek to maximize every last dollar opportunity at the expense of fan service and consumer experience.

I am tied in a lot to PE aggressively taking over the two largest empires on the Las Vegas Strip - MGM & Caesars. You ever wonder why there's no more free parking? Free drink services are cut back to almost nothing at the tables and slots? Blackjack odds were raised in favor of the house from 3:2 to 6:5? And the prices on absolutely everything are nearly doubled in the last four years? Private Equity stepped in and forced these changes for the sake of short term profit. Lost is any sense of courting the customer loyalty that Vegas was famous for and well tipped for - like with free drink service and gambling comps.

Private Equity is more invasive than standard shareholding. A third party shareholder (like myself) purchases a portion of the business with the trust that the business themselves will keep bettering themselves. A Private Equity arrangement is an agreement to take over a business for the sake of controlling the strategy to maximize the company at all costs. On paper, Private Equity looks beneficial, but everybody else (consumer, fans, loyalty programs, etc) suffers the unintended consequences.

How would a PE takeover play out for the Big Ten? Off the top of my head, advertising will be maximized in every way possible. More corporate logos on the field and corporate logos covering the uniforms. Probably strange neutral site games in places like Brazil, like the NFL does to promote their league. A study into whether the Big Ten can become a publicly traded brand with an IPO and ESG score.

An unintended consequence of this would be the formation of a players union that would A) demand a certain percentage of League profits and B) would seek to be disassociated from Student Athlete expectations in a way that would make them professional representatives of a university rather than students of a university.
this. they are vultures- and everything they touch fucking dies on the vine. they are wealth extracting vultures who look for short term payouts at the expense of the long-term. short-sighted fucks who try to rob from peter to pay paul- and only care about one thing- quick returns- and accomplish that by either stripping assets or by cutting costs and inflating prices and passing those increases onto the end user- you- in order to try and achieve unrealistic rates of return. they are pencil pushing finance nerds on wall street who play games with money on computers with spread sheets and have never actually done anything in their lives or built anything in their lives and have no clue at all about the real world. they live in their little bubbles in Manhattan for the most part and are fucking oblivious to the real world.

speaking of Vegas- it's fucking DOA. dead. anyone been lately? it's done- never to return to what it was. a lot of that has to do with what you just mentioned- PE basically ruining Vegas by jacking up all the prices for everything and cutting all the little free caisno perks that attracted people to Vegas.

PE will ruin the B1G within 5 years and put the final nail in the coffin for CFB. the only reason Petiti and other higher ups in the B1G are even considering this is they all want a short term fat payout. literally the only reason. B1G has no actual need or use for PE investment. And the deal as described by this article is an absolute trash bag of a deal. B1G essentially adds a 19th school- the PE firm- and the other 18 get an upfront payment of $110ish million. Not worth the price of admission.
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« Reply #2893 on: October 02, 2025, 11:21:09 AM »
Death of college football thread?
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« Reply #2894 on: October 02, 2025, 11:22:55 AM »
Yes, thats all it is.

They don't want to give up their power, and if this money is distributed equally, they lose their financial advantage. if the deal includes a guaranteed seat at the table for the two of them, and that the money is distributed proportionally based on existing revenue streams, they would sign off in a heartbeat
Shouldn't they rightfully do that? If you're a business that brings in a higher revenue, which results in a larger bottom line for yourself, why would you take on partnerships that require equal distribution if the partners bring less to the table? 

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« Reply #2895 on: October 02, 2025, 11:25:42 AM »
Shouldn't they rightfully do that? If you're a business that brings in a higher revenue, which results in a larger bottom line for yourself, why would you take on partnerships that require equal distribution if the partners bring less to the table?
it's not about that. he's wrong.

there is absolutely no reason to do this other than a lot of the other schools want a quick pay out. 


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Michigan and Ohio State don't need the $110 million pay out to let PE scumbags through the gates in with their Trojan horses. A lot of the other schools are struggling financially and could use the infusion of cash.

why should Michigan or Ohio State allow this just because other schools athletics departments went into too much debt? yeah: they shouldn't.



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« Reply #2896 on: October 02, 2025, 11:25:55 AM »
Shouldn't they rightfully do that? If you're a business that brings in a higher revenue, which results in a larger bottom line for yourself, why would you take on partnerships that require equal distribution if the partners bring less to the table?
Business? Sure.

These are schools (supposedly).

It's all f'd up and what I sincerely hope for is that the rest of the schools tell those who want more...

Go pound sand. Have fun in the SEC.
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« Reply #2897 on: October 02, 2025, 11:28:37 AM »
Business? Sure.

These are schools (supposedly).

It's all f'd up and what I sincerely hope for is that the rest of the schools tell those who want more...

Go pound sand. Have fun in the SEC.
I think we can disgustingly agree that the sports have not been a "school" part for quite a while now. Very unlike what we grew up with. 

Who do you think wants more as alluded to? I'm asking because I have little understanding of the topic up to this point and have shied away from areas like this because I want to somewhat live in fantasyland just see the purity of the game vs the money grab it's become. 

 

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